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i think its fairly obvious now that many of us didnt realise that there was a 30k per annum obligation with the seat on the board, whether that be our own fault for not paying enough attention or the Trusts for not making it clearer before now.

Dont think anyone is doubting how nice it is to have bars available for supporters or how much they maybe worth to the trusts fundraising.


The point I'm making is that the Trust are effectively getting the place on the GTFC Board for nothing. The decision to let the Trust run the bars reduced the clubs income by whatever the bars were making. By giving them 30K per annum we are simply giving them back money that was already theirs.


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The point I'm making is that the Trust are effectively getting the place on the GTFC Board for nothing. The decision to let the Trust run the bars reduced the clubs income by whatever the bars were making. By giving them 30K per annum we are simply giving them back money that was already theirs.


But surely the hard work of the trust has increased bar profits though Barra. Let’s be really honest. Would you have confidence in the club to run the bars as efficiently ?  Looking at the rest of the set up I know what my answer would be !!

Or would accounts previous to the trust running the bars prove me wrong ?


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But surely the hard work of the trust has increased bar profits though Barra. Let’s be really honest. Would you have confidence in the club to run the bars as efficiently ?  Looking at the rest of the set up I know what my answer would be !!

Or would accounts previous to the trust running the bars prove me wrong ?


The bars were a shambles pre the Trust taking them over, mainly because the staff member(s) given the job had neither the skills, interest or inclination to do so.

It has been a win win because the club get (I assume) a significantly increased sum of money with far less hassle and the fans get a far more pleasant environment for a pre match pint, including the Lunchtime TV game for those interested. The shed alongside the Pontoon, whilst having limitations certainly gives more fans the opportunity for a beer inside the ground
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But surely the hard work of the trust has increased bar profits though Barra. Let’s be really honest. Would you have confidence in the club to run the bars as efficiently ?  Looking at the rest of the set up I know what my answer would be !!

Or would accounts previous to the trust running the bars prove me wrong ?


The Trust cannot hide from the fact that the bars are a success because of the work done by Sharon who knows the business inside out, and her staff. It doesn't matter which organisation has overall control it is the staff at the sharp end who make the difference.


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The Trust cannot hide from the fact that the bars are a success because of the work done by Sharon who knows the business inside out, and her staff. It doesn't matter which organisation has overall control it is the staff at the sharp end who make the difference.


Political answer at its best.
Was Sharon there before the trust took over ?
If not, would the club have employed her and given her the means to succeed as well as she (and her team) are doing ?  
If yes, why did the trust need to get involved ?

Yes, the staff at the sharp end do make the difference.
But the recruitment, organisation and motivation of said staff and ultimately the results obtained are down to ???



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Sharon was not working for the club when the Trust took control. She had previously worked for the club in the same position. So she was a Trust appointment once the Trust gained control of the facilities. Without her and her team they wouldn't be the success they are today.


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Sharon was not working for the club when the Trust took control. She had previously worked for the club in the same position. So she was a Trust appointment once the Trust gained control of the facilities. Without her and her team they wouldn't be the success they are today.


Wasnt she 'let go' by the club previously in a cost cutting exercise??
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I just want a club I can be proud of again.  A bit of a run in the cup, some edge of the seat excitement occasionally during a game.
Instead, we have a duff manager who plays the most boring football ever, and a major shareholder who fleeces the supporters trust and won't stand up for his customers when they are abused. To rub salt in the wounds he has his family sticking up for him on here. I am on the verge of giving up. Fenty has killed my love of Town and football
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Sharon was not working for the club when the Trust took control. She had previously worked for the club in the same position. So she was a Trust appointment once the Trust gained control of the facilities. Without her and her team they wouldn't be the success they are today.


Thankyou Bax.

This is exactly the point I am trying to make. Sharon was a Trust appointment, and just as we judge JF by his managerial appointments (good or bad) we can say the same regarding this issue.
I am by no means trying to undermine the fantastic job Sharon and team have done. Not for one moment.  But Barra is indicating that the bars would have been a success whoever was in charge of Sharon and her team.  This clearly not the case.  Sharon has been given backing and the tools to do the job by the TRUST. Which also helps her and her team to be as successful as they have been.  I very much doubt if this would have been the case had the trust not stepped in.  Fair point Barra ?



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I can't believe Barra is actually playing down the Trust's role in making the bars more successful! I can see that a lot of it is down to Sharon, and not wanting to take anything way from her, but who appointed her, who gave her the support, opened up the away bar, the Sid Wheelhouse bar.....

Simple fact is, the bars were not making anything like the money they are now before the Trust took over. We never got plaudits from away fans about facilities in the Osmond before (impossible to estimate but that probably helps encourage people to come back).

So, no I don't accept that we are just giving the club money back that it would have made anyway. At the most I would say we should return the profits to the club up to a capped amount. Anything else should come with strings.

Obviously the amount that gets returned to the club one way or another has to be reduced because the Trust cannot go on making losses, until membership can be boosted again. Perhaps the trust should be more bullish in its approach. Given the way Fenty has ridden roughshod over fans' and the Trust's wishes on the Checkatrade Cup and his silence on the Stevenage farrago, it's time to start calling out these sorts of things as damaging to the long-term economic position of the club as they'll drive people away. It's time to stop worrying about rocking the boat as the pilot is steering it onto the rocks anyway.


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