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bax
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Do the Trust get a vote on any proposed agenda points & motions?


On the club's board? Yes, of course.



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So if myself and 6 mates all agreed to put in this £30k each could we then get onto the board, then could we have the majority vote on issues?
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Just a thought...is there any mention in the GTFC accounts acknowledging the Trust's contribution? Perhaps it's something that is mentioned in the GTFC boardroom or perhaps it will be at the AGM....but it would be nice.
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It may be about time for the Trust to set out a longer term aim to help the club change permanently for the better rather than feeding a pretty stale status quo.

For the lack of influence the Trust has within the club other than giving money to spend (and there's a question of how effectively it's spent), surely by continuing to gift money to the incumbents it's not helping to effect any significant change for the better, merely helping those that seemingly hold us back.

With more than £250k from the Trust, £200k in shares, £100k in OP money, £500k in shares by MP, that's more than half the benign loan amount without imparting any influence at all. Yet all are treated with indifference, disdain and taken for granted or ignored on so many occasions.

I admire the efforts of everyone at the Trust 1000%, but I think looking long term it maybe better for the money to be pigeon holed for a greater cause than feeding as Moosey put it, "a one way street."

I've said it before, there is a question of morality around all of this and it needs addressing. I'm sick and tired of the inequity which has only been effected by the dark arts of securing a single position..

I don't want another fifteen years of Fentyball for myself and I don't want another fifteen years of Fentyball for all our long suffering fans. I'm sick to the back teeth of it..
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It may be about time for the Trust to set out a longer term aim to help the club change permanently for the better rather than feeding a pretty stale status quo.

For the lack of influence the Trust has within the club other than giving money to spend (and there's a question of how effectively it's spent), surely by continuing to gift money to the incumbents it's not helping to effect any significant change for the better, merely helping those that seemingly hold us back.

With more than £250k from the trust, £200k in shares, £100k in OP money, £500k in shares by MP, that's more than half the benign loan amount without imparting any influence at all. Yet all are treated with indifference, disdain and taken for granted or ignored on so many occasions.

I admire the efforts of everyone at the Trust 1000%, but I think looking long term it maybe better for the money to be pigeon holed for a greater cause than feeding as Moosey put it, "a one way street."

I've said it before, there is a question morality around all of this and it needs addressing. I'm sick and tired of the inequity which has only been effected by the dark arts of securing a single position..

I don't want another fifteen years of Fentyball for myself and I don't want another fifteen years of Fentyball for all our long suffering fans. I'm sick to the back teeth of it..


Totally with you Bigdog. Perhaps naively, I had no idea that on top of everything else, the Trust had to pay for a seat at the big table. I have massive respect for all of you guys who put so much effort into what the Trust do but I feel compelled to ask whether you feel your efforts are worth the outcomes you get?
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So if myself and 6 mates all agreed to put in this £30k each could we then get onto the board, then could we have the majority vote on issues?


You would have to be co-opted on I assume, I was wondering if the Trust are putting £30K PA in are the other directors still stumping up £30K of their own money a year for the "privilege" of a seat?  


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It may be about time for the Trust to set out a longer term aim to help the club change permanently for the better rather than feeding a pretty stale status quo.

For the lack of influence the Trust has within the club other than giving money to spend (and there's a question of how effectively it's spent), surely by continuing to gift money to the incumbents it's not helping to effect any significant change for the better, merely helping those that seemingly hold us back.

With more than £250k from the trust, £200k in shares, £100k in OP money, £500k in shares by MP, that's more than half the benign loan amount without imparting any influence at all. Yet all are treated with indifference, disdain and taken for granted or ignored on so many occasions.

I admire the efforts of everyone at the Trust 1000%, but I think looking long term it maybe better for the money to be pigeon holed for a greater cause than feeding as Moosey put it, "a one way street."

I've said it before, there is a question morality around all of this and it needs addressing. I'm sick and tired of the inequity which has only been effected by the dark arts of securing a single position..

I don't want another fifteen years of Fentyball for myself and I don't want another fifteen years of Fentyball for all our long suffering fans. I'm sick to the back teeth of it..


If members tell us this, we can act upon it. It's easy to sit behind the anonymity of a computer screen, it's much more difficult to put your head above the parapet and to get involved. And I speak from experience as I did the latter and I wanted to do something about it, so joined the Trust and ended up on the board. But the Trust has to be member-led. The more people get involved, the more we can collectively do.


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Totally with you Bigdog. Perhaps naively, I had no idea that on top of everything else, the Trust had to pay for a seat at the big table. I have massive respect for all of you guys who put so much effort into what the Trust do but I feel compelled to ask whether you feel your efforts are worth the outcomes you get?


I can only speak personally, but that feeling of Nathan Arnold's goal at Wembley was worth every single second I put in voluntarily during Operation Promotion.


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I thought that the Trust contribution to the club was to be used for specific expenditure, e.g youth development/expenses, rather than just disappear into the general club income. Can the Trust not say how it wants the money spent each year. Improving toilet facilities would be a good start. Something tangible because at the moment the Trust don't seem to know what has happened to their hard earned money.
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If members tell us this, we can act upon it. It's easy to sit behind the anonymity of a computer screen, it's much more difficult to put your head above the parapet and to get involved. And I speak from experience as I did the latter and I wanted to do something about it, so joined the Trust and ended up on the board. But the Trust has to be member-led. The more people get involved, the more we can collectively do.


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