Purpose of The Fishy

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Grimsby Pete's thread earlier, I would like to just ask Admin to clarify that this is still an independent forum for the supporters of Grimsby Town Football Club to air their views on everything from the club's finances to the warmth of the Bovril at half time.

We appear to have had another intervention today by the non-chairman/major shareholder and I just wanted to know if everything on here is going to continue to be scrutinised by the board of GTFC. If so, you might as well close it down.

Independent forum, yes. Witch hunt page, no. Which is all it seems to be at the minute! I for one am pleased his thread was deleted earlier. It served no purpose nor relevance.

There was no intervention whatsoever. The thread was about a private message which nobody else had seen and the contents of which were not in the public domain. If a message was sent privately to someone that's the spirit it should be treated with. We're more than happy for discussions over material in the public domain like the ones you mention. Several posters objected to the thread as well and an explanation was sent to Pete.

Whilst it is quite appropriate to raise issues where our non-chairman is leading personalising the issues is not acceptable for either side of the argument,some of the post have crossed the line from debate to abuse.Seems to be a trend creeping in everywhere,could I ask we all treat each other with respect and not resort to personal abuse and calling people stupid just because they don't .

The clue was in the thread title OC. I've got a lot to say about board performance and club finances but drawing in family members is overstepping the mark..

There are honest and open debates to be had and that thread undermined any valid concerns fans have and added unwarranted credence to the witch hunt, toxic element, keyboard warrior and hater descriptions used by people who think that loyal fans shouldn't have a view opposite to the incumbent board, largely because they haven't got a strong counter argument regarding funding.

There are boundaries of decency and also discretion in a PM, It went way past it..

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Independent forum, yes. Witch hunt page, no. Which is all it seems to be at the minute! I for one am pleased his thread was deleted earlier. It served no purpose nor relevance.

Fenty has a stranglehold on the club and he and his family members are on here regularly so it certainly served a purpose. You cannot be the (non) chairman of a professional football club and not expect constant scrutiny, especially with the lack of success we have had over 15 or so years.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Fenty has a stranglehold on the club and he and his family members are on here regularly so it certainly served a purpose. You cannot be the (non) chairman of a professional football club and not expect constant scrutiny, especially with the lack of success we have had over 15 or so years.

There is a difference between scrutiny and libel, it's not even a fine line.
We all have to be very careful when we are tippy tapping away as it's very easy to cross that line in the heat of the moment.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

There is a difference between scrutiny and libel, it's not even a fine line.
We all have to be very careful when we are tippy tapping away as it's very easy to cross that line in the heat of the moment.

Isn't it only libellous if the thing stated is untrue?

I can't remember what Pete said much less comment on its veracity. Though I note Rob said it had to do with private messages - if Pete accurately quoted those messages would it be libellous or just 'bad form'?

Quoted from GYinScuntland

There is a difference between scrutiny and libel, it's not even a fine line.
We all have to be very careful when we are tippy tapping away as it's very easy to cross that line in the heat of the moment.

I accept that the thread title was ill-advised but not necessarily the content, which seemed only to be an opinion.

To have a thread titled fenty family and then question if they are indeed fans or not to me is pointless amongst other things, there isn't any for personal attacks towards Mr Fenty or his family. By all means voice your opinion, have a healthy debate, vent your frustration, nobody has a problem with it. Just stop the bitterness towards his brothers and family members.

Feels like the blame and finger pointing culture is king at the moment............Oh for a cup run!

What did I miss? I see the thread but didn't see anything bad in it, but I hadn't looked for a couple of days  

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a Blackpool type scenario ..let's hope not

What did the Oyston's ever do that was wrong?

Quoted from headingly_mariner

What did the Oyston's ever do that was wrong?

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-40250175[/url]

Seems the absence of fans is no impediment to them playing well.

Watch the celebration at the end of the FG win and see if Mr Fenty is a fan, I donot agree with all but for me he is a town fanatic absolutely no doubt at all

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-40250175[/url]

I'm certainly not saying fenty is taking money out of the club. I was more implying when the support base loses confidence in the owners they tend to stay away

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-40250175[/url]

Sorry I forgot a  

Did a certain GTFC board member not ask that question previously?

Why are people treading on eggshells? On a public forum, as long as common decency isn't compromised then most things are up for discussion. I've always believed in fan ownership of a football club rather than one individual, or an individual with a controlling share as we have at Grimsby. I just don't agree it with, think it's an anachronism, and in the wrong hands - as we've seen at many clubs up and down the country - can be used for personal gain rather than benefiting the club. If it's a good enough model for the Bunsdesliga - with a couple of notable exceptions - it's good enough for me.

Because I believe in this method of ownership doesn't mean I'm going to be hostile to the chairman, although I would always argue my corner most vociferously, but I just feel we should move on from where we are now. What worries me about the Pete thing is that I never saw anything that was downright nasty to John Fenty in his post, he was arguing the point about who actually spoke for the club, and yet we're led to believe that Pete has effectively been silenced on the matter? It's a disturbing trend if true.

The thing is unless John Fenty has found the secret of immortality ,he is not always going to be around,so between now and the time of his departure there must be a succession the appropriate question should be has J.F. done any succession planning

Any discussion should, as far as possible, be factual.
Personal attacks are never ok.

So if someone is of the opinion that Mr. Fenty need to step down as a majority shareholder of this club, it is OK to argue for it in this forum.
But I expect you to give me a good reason why this should be so. How this could be done in a matter that would ensure the clubs survival, and why Mr. Fenty even would consider stepping down from his role as a fan and benefactor?
What guarantees do we have that someone else would come in and run the club in a "better" way? Do the fans even agree what a "better" way is?

Just asking...

The purpose of the fishy is a forum, the clue is in the name Fishy Forum, a Forum is a website or web page where users can post comments about a particular issue or topic and reply to other users' postings as well as adding hilarious pictures and animated Gifs. Hope this helps.

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The reason I raised this is because the top banner on the site says 'The Independent Grimsby Town Site'. It's hardly independent if the owner of the largest shareholding in the club can come on this site and effectively censor someone for having an opinion he doesn't agree with. Admittedly, starting a thread with the title 'Fenty Family' is not terribly discreet but, if we, as paying fans are not allowed to have an independent opinion on an independent site then we might as well support Pyongyang United.

Stop the bitterness towards John Fenty full stop
Express your views in a reasonable and coherent manner (bit of an ask for a few on here) and no one can have any complaints - it's a forum where everyone has an opinion
But the bile and hostility levelled at him over the years has been a disgrace

He's a millionaire fan (a true fan as well - look at the scenes when we won the play off final v FGR) who has made mistakes but without his cash who knows where we might be

I work in the media and I can confirm a lot of what has been written IS libellous and defamatory

Quoted from devs

Stop the bitterness towards John Fenty full stop
Express your views in a reasonable and coherent manner (bit of an ask for a few on here) and no one can have any complaints - it's a forum where everyone has an opinion
But the bile and hostility levelled at him over the years has been a disgrace

He's a millionaire fan (a true fan as well - look at the scenes when we won the play off final v FGR) who has made mistakes but without his cash who knows where we might be

I work in the media and I can confirm a lot of what has been written IS libellous and defamatory

If people want to feel bitter about how one man has overseen the worst period in the club's history it's their prerogative and shouldn't be told by anyone in the free world to stop.

Your post itself is pretty hostile.

After all this time we might have been Darlington or we might have been Burton, who knows?

Libel And Opinion

Such terms represent what is called "pure opinions" because they can't be proven true or false. As a result, they cannot form the basis for a defamation claim. This is not to say that every statement of opinion is protected. If a statement implies some false underlying facts, it could be defamatory.

Having read the vast majority of the posts which are personal opinions on the subject, coupled with lack of transparency at the club leading to speculation, I think you're over-egging it a fair bit. I'm all for a bit of decency in a debate, one or two isolated posts are as you say, but overall I think your post is either misguided or adding fuel to the fire..

Quoted from devs

without his cash who knows where we might be

Indeed....

We can all dream can't we?

Whatever people think of Fenty if they think he isn't a true fan of the club they're obviously blinded by their hate.

Regarding pro and anti Fenty, do we have to fit in one of those camps? Whatever happened to nuance?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The reason I raised this is because the top banner on the site says 'The Independent Grimsby Town Site'. It's hardly independent if the owner of the largest shareholding in the club can come on this site and effectively censor someone for having an opinion he doesn't agree with. Admittedly, starting a thread with the title 'Fenty Family' is not terribly discreet but, if we, as paying fans are not allowed to have an independent opinion on an independent site then we might as well support Pyongyang United.

I have not been told or asked to be quiet on here and I am free to say what I think is true,

BUT

Having spoke to John on the phone I can see both sides and I understand certain things could be upsetting if the same thing was said to me.

So whatever anybody thinks of John I can say he is very approachable and is willing to talk to any fan,

Quoted from grimsby pete

I have not been told or asked to be quiet on here and I am free to say what I think is true,

BUT

Having spoke to John on the phone I can see both sides and I understand certain things could be upsetting if the same thing was said to me.

So whatever anybody thinks of John I can say he is very approachable and is willing to talk to any fan,

beep...beep ...beep ....Pete reversing ....beep ....beep...beep....Pete reversing  

Quoted from devs

Stop the bitterness towards John Fenty full stop
Express your views in a reasonable and coherent manner (bit of an ask for a few on here) and no one can have any complaints - it's a forum where everyone has an opinion
But the bile and hostility levelled at him over the years has been a disgrace

He's a millionaire fan (a true fan as well - look at the scenes when we won the play off final v FGR) who has made mistakes but without his cash who knows where we might be

I work in the media and I can confirm a lot of what has been written IS libellous and defamatory

As chairman (or non chairman) of any football league (or indeed non league club) you will get pilloried when it goes badly, and receive accolades when things go right.

OK, there hasn't been many accolades, but John Fenty is big enough to understand the trials and tribulations of the job and that will inevitably include severe criticism of him personally when things are not going well.

While we are at it, I'd love to see an end to posts in general that make vitriolic comments about individuals.

There seems to be some posters who take extremely negative views about individuals in a way that surely isn't in the interests of anyone.

Yes by all means say a player had a bad game or isn't as good as another.  But why do we have to have posts saying player x is rubbish etc.  it's clearly not the case or they wouldn't have a career as a professional footballer.

If someone is a genuinely not pulling their weight it's one thing, but I think all our current players are working hard for success.  Some are more talented than others but can't we be a bit less negative.

Likewise JF.  You may disagree with him but argue your points constructively and not just with a personal vitriol.

Some of the posts on here belittle the Fishy and make it a less enjoyable place to spend time.

What ever his mistakes, and he has made many,he has the courage to stick his head above the parapet and spend his money,abusing him or his family totally out of order.

Quoted from LondonMariner43

Likewise JF.  You may disagree with him but argue your points constructively and not just with a personal vitriol.

Some of the posts on here belittle the Fishy and make it a less enjoyable place to spend time.

If a fan has a passion for his/her football team, there's always a likelihood that there will be some vitriolic comments when things go wrong. Facts are that more has gone wrong than right over the last 15 years - are you trying to sanitise this forum so we are not allowed to criticise anybody? If so, I'm out.

FFS why  are some people on here ready to press the self destruct button?

                                    WE ARE ALL GTFC AFTER ALL ARE WE NOT?

OC really like your posts nobody trying to sanitise the Fishy but we can make our points without resorting to personal abuse keep on posting.

Quoted from grimsby pete

So whatever anybody thinks of John I can say he is very approachable and is willing to talk to any fan,

Absolute not. He refused point blank to talk to a group of fans who were againt the PP location at one of the public engagement sessions. The reason for this was he didnt think where they lived would be affected. End of matter.
He cannot take any critism whatsoever. The sooner he goes the better.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I have not been told or asked to be quiet on here and I am free to say what I think is true,

BUT

Having spoke to John on the phone I can see both sides and I understand certain things could be upsetting if the same thing was said to me.

So whatever anybody thinks of John I can say he is very approachable and is willing to talk to any fan,

Apparently he wasn't very approachable at Accrington last Tuesday night!  

[quote=211]Whatever people think of Fenty if they think he isn't a true fan of the club they're obviously blinded by their hate.

Regarding pro and anti Fenty, do we have to fit in one of those camps? Whatever happened to nuance?[/quote]
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I think you'll find they disbanded back in 1988 .

Quoted from devs

Stop the bitterness towards John Fenty full stop
Express your views in a reasonable and coherent manner (bit of an ask for a few on here) and no one can have any complaints - it's a forum where everyone has an opinion
But the bile and hostility levelled at him over the years has been a disgrace

He's a millionaire fan (a true fan as well - look at the scenes when we won the play off final v FGR) who has made mistakes but without his cash who knows where we might be

I work in the media and I can confirm a lot of what has been written IS libellous and defamatory

It's funny how people see things so differently. I'd much rather see just the players and coaching staff celebrating on the pitch. I don't want to see the major shareholder running round like they've scored the winner. I can't remember seeing any directors on the pitch at any of our relegations.

Had the club never been lent the cash we don't know where we'd be. Bearing in mind that the absolute worst thing possible happened to Wimbledon at the same time as our decline began and now they're in the league above us. I think it could've gone a lot better.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Apparently he wasn't very approachable at Accrington last Tuesday night!  

I think he would have been approachable at Accy ,if mentioning how well the team had done that night.

Funny thread this feels like big trouble in Trumpton. Someone at Mansfield said to me recently that JF gets stick because people are envious of his wealth i sometimes wonder when I read some of the stuff people post.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Funny thread this feels like big trouble in Trumpton. Someone at Mansfield said to me recently that JF gets stick because people are envious of his wealth i sometimes wonder when I read some of the stuff people post.

Envious of JF? Why?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Envious of JF? Why?

"his wealth"

Quoted from HertsGTFC

"his wealth"

Yep, I read that. Wealth doesn't buy happiness.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Yep, I read that. Wealth doesn't buy happiness.

Agree and "money can't buy you love" so someone once said.

I don't care too much for money.

Ffs! Another thread that's turned into an anti-JF post!!!! Haven't you got anything better to do than worry yourselves about JF and his Money?!?

Yeah why would anyone want to worry about how their club is run!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Yep, I read that. Wealth doesn't buy happiness.

No but it makes being miserable more comfortable.

But you're not. It's getting personal and ridiculous.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

If a fan has a passion for his/her football team, there's always a likelihood that there will be some vitriolic comments when things go wrong. Facts are that more has gone wrong than right over the last 15 years - are you trying to sanitise this forum so we are not allowed to criticise anybody? If so, I'm out.

No - I'm saying it would be better all round if we treated others with respect.  Would you expect your boss to tell you that you are effing useless if you make a mistake?

Criticism is fine.  I just hate the way certain players etc get singled out for perpetual, unbalanced criticism.  

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Ffs! Another thread that's turned into an anti-JF post!!!! Haven't you got anything better to do than worry yourselves about JF and his Money?!?

Mmm...let's think why the independence of this site is, in your mind, linked to JF and his money. The thread was started by me because I was/am concerned that the opinions of some are being sanitised and censored by others. I, along with many others, pay for a seat at Blundell Park to watch the football team that I'm passionate about. If I'm not entitled to have an independent opinion on an independent board about GTFC is run, how a player has played, how excrement the stadium is, how cold the tea is etc. then please tell me why. As far as I know, there aren't any other football clubs that are run that way.

Pete has already said that he wasn't told to stop posting and Rob has said it was his decision to pull the thread and he explained why, so i don't get where this particular thread is going anymore.

No one is saying you can't or shouldn't have an opinion of what you have said there but my argument is that it is all aimed at Johns way he isn't the only board member but he is the one who is most berated just lately. There have been threads started about his family, who we know are fans also, they also pay for their seat. I pay for mine and my sons, I take him week in week out and I am also entitled to an opinion but you won't see me voice it on here because I'm not a judgemental fool like most!!!

Quoted from ginnywings

Pete has already said that he wasn't told to stop posting and Rob has said it was his decision to pull the thread and he explained why, so i don't get where this particular thread is going anymore.

Yep, I agree. Pull this thread too and any other that is vaguely critical of our glorious leader. Bye for now, fellow Fishys - I enjoyed your company.

Oh so you are allowed an opinion if you're against JF but not allowed one or its gets pulled apart if you're not?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Yep, I agree. Pull this thread too and any other that is vaguely critical of our glorious leader. Bye for now, fellow Fishys - I enjoyed your company.

Well i never said that did i?

I've been critical in the past but i thought the thread that prompted this thread was ill advised at best.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Yep, I agree. Pull this thread too and any other that is vaguely critical of our glorious leader. Bye for now, fellow Fishys - I enjoyed your company.

Don't be so ridiculous. Nobody has said you can't criticise JF, he's had plenty of it on here recently. Some of it justified, some of it not so much. What overstepped the mark was where it got personal and posters started involving his family. That's crossing a line. By all means, criticise his chairmanship (or non-chairmanship) but do it in a civil manner, that is all anyone has said.

Quoted from mariner91

Don't be so ridiculous. Nobody has said you can't criticise JF, he's had plenty of it on here recently. Some of it justified, some of it not so much. What overstepped the mark was where it got personal and posters started involving his family. That's crossing a line. By all means, criticise his chairmanship (or non-chairmanship) but do it in a civil manner, that is all anyone has said.

Final post. JF has said you can't criticise JF. Only a week ago, he (allegedly) told fans to f*** off - hardly appropriate. Many of you may be happy that the club is a stagnant financial force in a situation created by, and perpetuated by being badly run - I'm not. Other than Pete entitling a thread in a an ill-advised way, all he did was voice his opinion about the controlling way in which the club is being run. You know what? He was right.

Oh dear  

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Final post. JF has said you can't criticise JF. Only a week ago, he (allegedly) told fans to f*** off - hardly appropriate. Many of you may be happy that the club is a stagnant financial force in a situation created by, and perpetuated by being badly run - I'm not. Other than Pete entitling a thread in a an ill-advised way, all he did was voice his opinion about the controlling way in which the club is being run. You know what? He was right.

Thought you had gone?!

Quoted from headingly_mariner

It's funny how people see things so differently. I'd much rather see just the players and coaching staff celebrating on the pitch. I don't want to see the major shareholder running round like they've scored the winner. I can't remember seeing any directors on the pitch at any of our relegations.

Had the club never been lent the cash we don't know where we'd be. Bearing in mind that the absolute worst thing possible happened to Wimbledon at the same time as our decline began and now they're in the league above us. I think it could've gone a lot better.

Couldn't agree more.

Quoted from friskneymariner

What ever his mistakes, and he has made many,he has the courage to stick his head above the parapet and spend his money,abusing him or his family totally out of order.

Where was the abuse of his family?

Quoted from LondonMariner43

While we are at it, I'd love to see an end to posts in general that make vitriolic comments about individuals.

There seems to be some posters who take extremely negative views about individuals in a way that surely isn't in the interests of anyone.

Yes by all means say a player had a bad game or isn't as good as another.  But why do we have to have posts saying player x is rubbish etc.  it's clearly not the case or they wouldn't have a career as a professional footballer.

If someone is a genuinely not pulling their weight it's one thing, but I think all our current players are working hard for success.  Some are more talented than others but can't we be a bit less negative.

Likewise JF.  You may disagree with him but argue your points constructively and not just with a personal vitriol.

Some of the posts on here belittle the Fishy and make it a less enjoyable place to spend time.

I agree with you in principle. But I've not seen any vitriolic comments recently. Now that might be because we have different interpretations, so if you can show examples of vitriolic comments as examples to make it clear where you draw the line, that'd help. I mean that genuinely.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Funny thread this feels like big trouble in Trumpton. Someone at Mansfield said to me recently that JF gets stick because people are envious of his wealth i sometimes wonder when I read some of the stuff people post.

Now doesn't that count as personal abuse? I know you've not pointed the finger at anyone specific, but with no evidence to back it up you're imputing impure motives to people who criticise JF's control of the club.

Quoted from MarinerWY

Whatever people think of Fenty if they think he isn't a true fan of the club they're obviously blinded by their hate.

Where has anyone said he's not a true fan of the club?

It looks like you're first of all talking about a crime that hasn't happened and then reading motives into the people that supposedly did what hasn't been done!

I would say you couldn't make it up but......

Quoted from jock dock tower

Why are people treading on eggshells? On a public forum, as long as common decency isn't compromised then most things are up for discussion. I've always believed in fan ownership of a football club rather than one individual, or an individual with a controlling share as we have at Grimsby. I just don't agree it with, think it's an anachronism, and in the wrong hands - as we've seen at many clubs up and down the country - can be used for personal gain rather than benefiting the club. If it's a good enough model for the Bunsdesliga - with a couple of notable exceptions - it's good enough for me.

Because I believe in this method of ownership doesn't mean I'm going to be hostile to the chairman, although I would always argue my corner most vociferously, but I just feel we should move on from where we are now. What worries me about the Pete thing is that I never saw anything that was downright nasty to John Fenty in his post, he was arguing the point about who actually spoke for the club, and yet we're led to believe that Pete has effectively been silenced on the matter? It's a disturbing trend if true.

You're right about that. Not the second bit maybe, as Pete himself has pointed out.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

No one is saying you can't or shouldn't have an opinion of what you have said there but my argument is that it is all aimed at Johns way he isn't the only board member but he is the one who is most berated just lately. There have been threads started about his family, who we know are fans also, they also pay for their seat. I pay for mine and my sons, I take him week in week out and I am also entitled to an opinion but you won't see me voice it on here because I'm not a judgemental fool like most!!!

Only the seven posts on this thread alone  

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Where has anyone said he's not a true fan of the club?

It looks like you're first of all talking about a crime that hasn't happened and then reading motives into the people that supposedly did what hasn't been done!

I would say you couldn't make it up but......

I doubt he's a true fan, I believe that he was a businessman hoping to board a gravy train, when that train derailed and crashed with ITV digital, he's now waiting for the right opportunity to recoup his losses, in the form of the Fentydome.  

No hated of the man, not that I particularly like him and believe we need to find a way forward without him at the helm.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

I doubt he's a true fan, I believe that he was a businessman hoping to board a gravy train, when that train derailed and crashed with ITV digital, he's now waiting for the right opportunity to recoup his losses, in the form of the Fentydome.  

No hated of the man, not that I particularly like him and believe we need to find a way forward without him at the helm.

Make a lier of me why don't you!

I think he's been around following the Town a lot longer than that. He might have got on board/on the Board in the early Noughties but that coincided with him selling Five Star Fish didn't it, giving him the money to invest/spend/chuckaway?

I won't be investing my money in the club when i win the euromillions lottery.
Think of all the abuse you would get.

Quoted from londonmariner2

I won't be investing my money in the club when i win the euromillions lottery.
Think of all the abuse you would get.

What if we start the abuse now just in case you win? That way there'd be nothing to lose by investing.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

I doubt he's a true fan, I believe that he was a businessman hoping to board a gravy train, when that train derailed and crashed with ITV digital, he's now waiting for the right opportunity to recoup his losses, in the form of the Fentydome.  

No hated of the man, not that I particularly like him and believe we need to find a way forward without him at the helm.

Lol this thread gets even dafter NOT A TRUE FAN??? not many gravy trains at our level.Please explain what a TRUE FAN IS THEN lol

I tell you now I have supported town over fifty years and if I won a couple of million would not risk investing such a large amount in any football club it is dead money.

Storm in a tea cup, an over reaction by many imo

Seen plenty of criticism of JF on here and it has surfaced more of late, but abuse? Really?

Don't think anyone can claim JF. and his family, are not true supporters ( whatever true means?) but the so called 'abuse' comes from both sides. For me they have every right to defend their views just as much as those who criticise have. ( and they have been doing so)

We see things differently, that is healthy but some are so defensive of their position that they deem themselves above criticism. Criticism isn't abuse but some are more sensitive than others!

By the way there is a match on Saturday- I' m going for our first draw!

Personal abuse is wrong, people can have their own opinions and if people feel like we need a new person at the helm or a new owner then they're free to share their views and feelings, but personal attacks isnt the way to go about it.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Lol this thread gets even dafter NOT A TRUE FAN??? not many gravy trains at our level.Please explain what a TRUE FAN IS THEN lol

I tell you now I have supported town over fifty years and if I won a couple of million would not risk investing such a large amount in any football club it is dead money.

I refer you to my original post, google ITV Digital collapse if you must, at that point in time in football the £350 mill odd being pumped into football was a gravy train in my eyes. We were Championship equivalent at the time, not Lge 2. How much was Zhang Enhua on a week? £20k a week! £30k a week!

Ok I'll retract slightly on the True fan part, he might have been a fan around and before the time he started his investing.  The decision to invest in the club wouldn't have been based on his love for the club, it would have been a business decision. I certainly don't see him as a fan now, if he was he wouldn't have voted the way he did in the B teams vote.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

I doubt he's a true fan, I believe that he was a businessman hoping to board a gravy train, when that train derailed and crashed with ITV digital, he's now waiting for the right opportunity to recoup his losses, in the form of the Fentydome.  

No hated of the man, not that I particularly like him and believe we need to find a way forward without him at the helm.

Nah can't see that. I'm critical of him but I'm sure he's a fan.

I think if you started reading this thread from top to bottom you would be worried about what goes on in people minds, come on folks we are better than the content of this thread suggests ""where all Town aren't we"?

This thread pretty much sums up why I can't be bothered spending much time on here after 8 years of regular posting.  Strangely, it was a better place when we were in non league because maybe whatever the differences, we could unite around a common goal.  If we become established as a L2, despite that being what everyone wanted, that unity dissolves into dissatisfaction that we aren't in the champions league.  If you want s club backed by a sugar daddy with no interest in the club and its heritage, there are plenty around.  There's also plenty of examples of clubs who got relegated out of the league and gone to oblivion.  

I've followed Town for 40 years and there been periods where we have done amazingly well but being realistic, I'd say we are doing ok right now and we will probably have our best season since we had that guy with the cap as manager ... no what was his name?

Final post on this thread.  Possibly final post on the Fishy.  Enjoy your bickering.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

I refer you to my original post, google ITV Digital collapse if you must, at that point in time in football the £350 mill odd being pumped into football was a gravy train in my eyes. We were Championship equivalent at the time, not Lge 2. How much was Zhang Enhua on a week? £20k a week! £30k a week!

Ok I'll retract slightly on the True fan part, he might have been a fan around and before the time he started his investing.  The decision to invest in the club wouldn't have been based on his love for the club, it would have been a business decision. I certainly don't see him as a fan now, if he was he wouldn't have voted the way he did in the B teams vote.

He was on 10K a week. As if Fenty thought he could swan into the club and make off with a load of the ITV digital money  . If those were his true intentions why didn't he just piss off the second they went belly up?

Anybody who thinks there is money to be made from GTFC is sadly deluded and I don't think Fenty is anything like that daft.

You've always had chancers getting involved with clubs for nefarious ends but only at those clubs whose ground are built on land that has some value. Not something relevant to GTFC.

I'm sure he wanted to help the club when he got on board, but that's something which has proved beyond his abilities. Running a successful fish business is obviously pretty different to running a successful club. Too many variables to pin down and I often wonder how much luck is involved in achieving success at smaller clubs like ourselves.

Didn't we lose to Exeter and then they got Man U in the FA Cup a few years back? That effectively changed their club fortunes. Lots of small moments of "what if"as well.

No, I don't think John Fenty has got everything right; he's learnt a lot over the years about the running of a club in both good and bad situations.

There are always new mistakes to make. As to the benign loan thing, I'm sure he feels that's right in his eyes. Similarly with managerial appointments - we've all had high hopes in those respects.

I am happy to criticise or applaud his decisions, but him as a person? No. Him as a fan? Definitely not.

A Euromillions win? Yes, I would put some of a 100 million plus win into the club. Would I want to run it? God no. Perhaps giving the Trust/ other newly created fans body the money to buy out whomever is in charge, and then ducking away from the parapet would be the way to go..

Quoted from mariner91

He was on 10K a week. As if Fenty thought he could swan into the club and make off with a load of the ITV digital money

IIRC Huxford was chairman at the time, and effectively spent the following years ITVD money that season in some grand plan to get us promoted, and to be fair 5 games in it seemed it might happen. Fenty didn't put his millions into the club until after ITV went mammaries up, when it was used to plug the £2m deficit in the wages budget and the HMRC bill. There was no ITV digital money for him to swan off with.

Quoted from LondonMariner43

This thread pretty much sums up why I can't be bothered spending much time on here after 8 years of regular posting.  Strangely, it was a better place when we were in non league because maybe whatever the differences, we could unite around a common goal.  If we become established as a L2, despite that being what everyone wanted, that unity dissolves into dissatisfaction that we aren't in the champions league.  If you want s club backed by a sugar daddy with no interest in the club and its heritage, there are plenty around.  There's also plenty of examples of clubs who got relegated out of the league and gone to oblivion.  

I've followed Town for 40 years and there been periods where we have done amazingly well but being realistic, I'd say we are doing ok right now and we will probably have our best season since we had that guy with the cap as manager ... no what was his name?

Final post on this thread.  Possibly final post on the Fishy.  Enjoy your bickering.

It is not bickering, its discussion about the Mariners and all aspects of the club.

Now we are back in the league, we need to discuss the future, and the man who has a stranglehold (for good or bad) on the club is an integral part of that.

What is the point of a forum if everybody just accepts our lot? There was too much of that which led to our relegation out of the football league altogether. You have to go forward in football; there is no status quo and you are either a club moving forwards or sliding down. I think Mr. Fenty did well in appointing Slade, but the club as a whole needs to be invigorated. I keep mentioning the new stadium and that being the catalyst for a better future but what is the latest news on it?

I also know that anything I write won't have effect whatsoever on the clubs fortunes, and I completely separate what I might write here and my support for the club in general and particularly on match days. I suppose it is like a marriage - you have many ups and downs and get fed up from time to time and have a heated debate but you still love it all.

Quoted from mike_d

Didn't we lose to Exeter and then they got Man U in the FA Cup a few years back? That effectively changed their club fortunes. Lots of small moments of "what if"as well.

That was in the 2004/05 season. They didn't draw Man Utd straight after beating us but they beat Doncaster at home in the 2nd round first before drawing Man Utd in the 3rd round,

What did the Romans say ? Divide and conquer?

Is this Julius Fentimus plan for the fishy ?

Quoted from mike_d

Didn't we lose to Exeter and then they got Man U in the FA Cup a few years back? That effectively changed their club fortunes. Lots of small moments of "what if"as well.

No, I don't think John Fenty has got everything right; he's learnt a lot over the years about the running of a club in both good and bad situations.

There are always new mistakes to make. As to the benign loan thing, I'm sure he feels that's right in his eyes. Similarly with managerial appointments - we've all had high hopes in those respects.

I am happy to criticise or applaud his decisions, but him as a person? No. Him as a fan? Definitely not.

A Euromillions win? Yes, I would put some of a 100 million plus win into the club. Would I want to run it? God no. Perhaps giving the Trust/ other newly created fans body the money to buy out whomever is in charge, and then ducking away from the parapet would be the way to go..

Big difference there is Fenty's money is what he as achieved through his business acumen not a massive instant wind fall.

One hundred million is a unbelievable sum and yes in such circumstance a couple of million would not be missed.

The mullins did not win anything like that and yet still put a large donation in the club but I would not see it as a investment looking to make profit on it.

I see it more as a status thing extending the chairman's ego but with that comes a lot of flak and publicity not many manage to keep their credit and respect like the late Jack Walker did.

Quoted from mike_d

Didn't we lose to Exeter and then they got Man U in the FA Cup a few years back? That effectively changed their club fortunes. Lots of small moments of "what if"as well.

No, I don't think John Fenty has got everything right; he's learnt a lot over the years about the running of a club in both good and bad situations.

There are always new mistakes to make. As to the benign loan thing, I'm sure he feels that's right in his eyes. Similarly with managerial appointments - we've all had high hopes in those respects.

I am happy to criticise or applaud his decisions, but him as a person? No. Him as a fan? Definitely not.

A Euromillions win? Yes, I would put some of a 100 million plus win into the club. Would I want to run it? God no. Perhaps giving the Trust/ other newly created fans body the money to buy out whomever is in charge, and then ducking away from the parapet would be the way to go..

Wow... if a post defined a thread this is it.

- Just because we lost to Exeter it does not mean to say we would have drawn Man U
- How did their cup run transform their fortunes? They are doing well this season but I don't recall they've smashed it ever
- Do you know him personally? So if not how can you judge him "as a person"  
- He must be a fan as "investing" in GTFC in the last decade is like betting on a 3 legged horse
- You have no quantifiable chance of winning the Euro Millions so your point about that is irrelevant
- Are you rally saying you would give millions to enthusiastic armatures to run the club/a business? What could they do differently to a business experienced savvy board who in reality at this stage aren't looking to take anything out of the club.?

On top of this see the point Mrs Doyle made above, spot on for me!

I don't live in the Town anymore but go back for games and family visits, people away from the area think Grimsby is a bit backward and crummy if they read this thread I am sure they would have a smile on their faces.I don't like censored/deleted threads but all this one does is allow people to grin axes that aren't based on fact.  

Funny, the feeling was very different a few weeks ago when he gave Dis a benefit game, maybe worth looking back on that thread?

Think you need to read Mike's post again.

These enthusiastic armatures would be all spin.

Quoted from friskneymariner

These enthusiastic armatures would be all spin.

That's a wind up. (The electricians will get that)