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If that is the case you need to consider your sample validity,i.e that is by definition only those who are on social media and e-mail are aware.,this excludes a significant amount of the population.,I fought all my Public Sector career against digital default.


Actually the vast majority of the population now use email and social media...

I did say etc - it was covered in the local press, in the GTFC football programme and we spoke to plenty of people too. But we'll never catch everyone.

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Actually 33% of the population as of 2014 do not have access to e-mail,do not wish to embark on Research Methods 101 but the reasons so many polls are wrong in general elections is because they relied on e-surveys thus excluding a significant tranche of the population.
The idea that you are propagating that  the majority of people have access to e-mail may be correct,but there is a significant proportion of the population that still don't  and your attitude marginalises and excludes a  demographic and is at odds with  any equality of opportunity  policy,quite disappointed that someone in your position is not conversant with the basic principles of social inclusion.


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Actually 33% of the population as of 2014 do not have access to e-mail,do not wish to embark on Research Methods 101 but the reasons so many polls are wrong in general elections is because they relied on e-surveys thus excluding a significant tranche of the population.
The idea that you are propagating that  the majority of people have access to e-mail may be correct,but there is a significant proportion of the population that still don't  and your attitude marginalises and excludes a  demographic and is at odds with  any equality of opportunity  policy,quite disappointed that someone in your position is not conversant with the basic principles of social inclusion.


Did you read the second part of my post?  
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Actually 33% of the population as of 2014 do not have access to e-mail,do not wish to embark on Research Methods 101 but the reasons so many polls are wrong in general elections is because they relied on e-surveys thus excluding a significant tranche of the population.
The idea that you are propagating that  the majority of people have access to e-mail may be correct,but there is a significant proportion of the population that still don't  and your attitude marginalises and excludes a  demographic and is at odds with  any equality of opportunity  policy,quite disappointed that someone in your position is not conversant with the basic principles of social inclusion.


I think you'll find that the online polls were generally better than the phone polls. People tend to be more honest with a computer than with a human speaking to them.

You have to ask yourself how likely someone who has no access to any sort of  electronic communication and doesn't read the local paper is to turn up at a meeting to discuss issues relating to the trust, especially if its entirely self-driven. The chances are they will know somebody they rely upon to keep them updated of events like this. Anybody who excludes themselves to such an extent is probably not going to have the drive to involve themselves in a meeting of this sort. Before you have a go at me, I have nothing to do with the running of the trust, I am not defending them, just making my point. I'd rather they didn't spend time and effort writing a physical letter to every member.


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Quoted from friskneymariner
Actually 33% of the population as of 2014 do not have access to e-mail,do not wish to embark on Research Methods 101 but the reasons so many polls are wrong in general elections is because they relied on e-surveys thus excluding a significant tranche of the population.
The idea that you are propagating that  the majority of people have access to e-mail may be correct,but there is a significant proportion of the population that still don't  and your attitude marginalises and excludes a  demographic and is at odds with  any equality of opportunity  policy,quite disappointed that someone in your position is not conversant with the basic principles of social inclusion.



What were the trust supposed to do?

They made the announcement that the meeting would be taking place on twitter, message boards such as this, through the local newspaper, in the matchday programme, on Facebook and through e-mails to their members, web sites etc.

Dont think anyone could reasonably expect them to do anymore, but i think you nailed your opinions to the mast in previous threads so my advice to any organisation would be there will be always some who will always sit in the opposite corner whatever you do

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Yes,i did but  the blase comment that you consider the majority of people are on e-mail is dangerous and compounds social exclusion,I suggest without wishing to be patronising that you read John Stuart Mills treatise on the Tyranny of the Majority

Too many people are being excluded by dint of digital default.A bland acceptance that we will never reach everybody is a tatict acceptance of  the status quo without reflecting how that may be changed. You need to consider how you communicate with hard to reach groups.


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Wow! I never, ever thought to read a reference to JS Mill on The Fishy!


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That you making assumptions about those of us who sit in the Pontoon.


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I think you'll find that the online polls were generally better than the phone polls. People tend to be more honest with a computer than with a human speaking to them.

You have to ask yourself how likely someone who has no access to any sort of  electronic communication and doesn't read the local paper is to turn up at a meeting to discuss issues relating to the trust, especially if its entirely self-driven. The chances are they will know somebody they rely upon to keep them updated of events like this. Anybody who excludes themselves to such an extent is probably not going to have the drive to involve themselves in a meeting of this sort. Before you have a go at me, I have nothing to do with the running of the trust, I am not defending them, just making my point. I'd rather they didn't spend time and effort writing a physical letter to every member.


Rob that is a very narrow view,what about us fans who live miles from GY who do not see the local media ,or indeed subscribe to social media,think you have a very narrow perspective which I would suspect is held by a younger age group,not all of us live our life on line or feel the need to have to.


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That you making assumptions about those of us who sit in the Pontoon.


Don't be so defensive! You must admit it's not regular Fishy fare!! Anyway I sit on the Pontoon along with lots of well educated folks.


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