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Players will make errors, even the best of them.

Managers will make mistakes, even the best of them.

Chairmen and boards will make mistakes too, even the best and richest of them.

Football supporters can be and are the most fickle and emotionally reactive people you will ever meet. Some are capablle of creating an unhealthy toxic atmosphere.

Be very very careful what you wish for. Because time and again, toxic elements get their own way, only to be left looking foolish with egg on their face


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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
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Quoted from Ascend
Players will make errors, even the best of them.

Managers will make mistakes, even the best of them.

Chairmen and boards will make mistakes too, even the best and richest of them.

Football supporters can be and are the most fickle and emotionally reactive people you will ever meet. Some are capablle of creating an unhealthy toxic atmosphere.

Be very very careful what you wish for. Because time and again, toxic elements get their own way, only to be left looking foolish with egg on their face


Wise words getyourfactsright. You forgot to add that fans should know their place and defer to their elders and betters. And of course, that although supporters keep the club afloat by spending hundreds of thousands of pounds every season it is completely unreasonable for them to a ) have an opinion and b) God forbid, for them to expect to be taken into account

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Yes knee jerk reactions after only 6 games has been a little ridiculous. I mean according to some se we're going to get absolutely thumped last night............UTM
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Yes knee jerk reactions after only 6 games has been a little ridiculous. I mean according to some se we're going to get absolutely thumped last night............UTM


Don't see how a 2-1 win at Stanley puts right all the issues off the pitch but hey ho....
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Don't see how a 2-1 win at Stanley puts right all the issues off the pitch but hey ho....



What are the supposed issues off the pitch?

Compared to many clubs, we are in a great position.  I don't understand who the Fenty out brigade have lined up to take majority ownership of the club.  Much rather have a local owner who loves the club than some billionaire ready to sell us down the river when things go wrong.  JF isn't perfect but who is? However he is a fan first and that counts for a lot.
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Quoted from Ascend
Players will make errors, even the best of them.

Managers will make mistakes, even the best of them.

Chairmen and boards will make mistakes too, even the best and richest of them.

Football supporters can be and are the most fickle and emotionally reactive people you will ever meet. Some are capablle of creating an unhealthy toxic atmosphere.

Be very very careful what you wish for. Because time and again, toxic elements get their own way, only to be left looking foolish with egg on their face



So opening up a debate about the lack of funding at the club, how we've been left behind over the past couple of decades and how poor the end product on the pitch isn't a valid one to have?

Are you saying that our great leader cannot accept any criticism constructive or otherwise and would act in a way to jeopardise the club's existence rather than listening to valid concerns? Does he think he should be above any kind of criticism at all and we should shut up and just suffer in silence and take whatever is served up?

I'll tell you what pal, if you call it being fickle after loyally putting up with years of decline before dropping out of the league, sticking through the club in numbers during the embarrassment of being a non league club for six years and raising money to get us out of there, then finally lose patience watching what seems like perpetual dross, watch other similar sized clubs progress and start to ask ourselves do we deserve better than this after all this time, then you don't know the meaning of the word loyalty.

JF had big enough shoulders to engineer himself the position and responsibility he's in, so he should have big enough shoulders to bear the responsibility and any criticisms from the club's paying public. There is a mood change that cannot be ignored.

The club needs substantial investment and new ideas beyond securing a new stadium, there's no doubting that fact. Some of the footballing decisions have been terrible and are worthy of scrutiny for a start. The major question is.. How active is JF being in trying to address these issues, because it seems like he doesn't want to at all.

To call GTFC fans fickle is a travesty. Yes moods can swing from result to result but the feelings over how our club has been run over the last couple of decades won't go away. It is not our duty to shut up, it is the board's duty to improve GTFC by searching for significant investment, that's is what they are supposed to be there for, it's even written in the club's annual account statement.

Fickle after all this time. Give over!

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It's amazing. One win and the blinkers are back on. excrement facilities, excrement stadium, treatment of fans, Checkatrade farce, Clee Chronicle fiasco, lack of clarity on anything remotely controversial such as Bignot sacking etc etc
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Wise words getyourfactsright. You forgot to add that fans should know their place and defer to their elders and betters. And of course, that although supporters keep the club afloat by spending hundreds of thousands of pounds every season it is completely unreasonable for them to a ) have an opinion and b) God forbid, for them to expect to be taken into account



The comedy in people thinking that I, Ascend, am John Fenty, is just about as comically laughable as some of the opinions and wishes on this messageboard directed at John Fenty.

Have your opinions all you like, it doesn't change the context of my original post "Be very careful what you which for". The alternative to John Fenty may be very very bleak


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Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
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So opening up a debate about the lack of funding at the club, how we've been left behind over the past couple of decades and how poor the end product on the pitch isn't a valid one to have?

Are you saying that our great leader cannot accept any criticism constructive or otherwise and would act in a way to jeopardise the club's existence rather than listening to valid concerns? Does he think he should be above any kind of criticism at all and we should shut up and just suffer in silence and take whatever is served up?

I'll tell you what pal, if you call it being fickle after loyally putting up with years of decline before dropping out of the league, sticking through the club in numbers during the embarrassment of being a non league club for six years and raising money to get us out of there, then finally lose patience watching what seems like perpetual dross and start to ask ourselves do we deserve better than this after all this time?

JF had big enough shoulders to engineer himself the position and responsibility he's in, so he should have big enough shoulders to bear the responsibility and any criticisms from the club's paying public. There is a mood change that cannot be ignored.

The club needs substantial investment and new ideas beyond securing a new stadium, there's no doubting that fact. Some of the footballing decisions have been terrible and are worthy of scrutiny for a start. The major question is.. How active is JF being in trying to address these issues, because it seems like he doesn't want to at all.

To call GTFC fans fickle is a travesty. Yes moods can swing from result to result but the feelings over how our club has been run over the last couple of decades won't go away. It is not our duty to shut up, it is the board's duty to improve GTFC by searching for significant investment, that's is what they are supposed to be there for, it's even written in the club's annual account statement.

Fickle after all this time. Give over!



Fickle yes. There is no doubt that our supporters have stuck by the club, continued to pay their money and continued to attend. But there are many within this that are still fickle in their opinion of and attitude towards the one person that has given us a life line and something to support, in the absence of any other rich man of Oligarch that wants to come and have a play at being a football club owner.

Have your opinions all you like. I haven't said that you shouldn't have opinions. What I have said is very clear, "Be careful what you wish for" as the alternative to John Fenty is likely to be very bleak.  



If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

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