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Marinerz93
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I don't see, and I never have seen, anybody stepping up to take of the majority of the club from Mr Fenty and give you what you want.

In John Fenty, what you have is a very passionate Grimsby man, with the financial wherewithal and business brain to keep Grimsby Town not only alive for the current situation, but cleverly prospering with his future plans.

With regards to managerial choices and matters, John will make good calls and bad calls, in what is a complete lottery. A world full of managers to choose from that have mostly failed, had a bit of a success, some mixed experienced or even complete learners at the start of their own managerial career. But let's not think for a single minute, that any of his choices in managers, were made out of anything other than great intention and a love and desire to see Grimsby progress.  Every single one of his appointments was made in hope that he had found the right man to get us competing for promotions and a little bit of cup glory.

Some people on here and in the fan base, are being extremely toxic in their opinions of John Fenty. Almost painting him as a bad person, that from some of your comments, you would think was intentionally trying to appoint poor managers. He isn't, and, with just 7 games played, there is absolutely no reason to write Russell Slade off yet either. Accepted, the season hasn't started in the way that any of us would have wished for. Of course we would have liked more wins and points, but the season has only just started, we've only played just 7 games. If as the season progresses, the situation doesn't improve, then I have no doubt that John Fenty will make the tough decision to let Russell Slade go,then once again he will try to bring in the next manager that he hopes is the right man for the job at that time.

There really is a lot of nonsense and ill thought out opinion spouted out on fans message-boards, and this particular thread is a first class example of this. Owning the biggest slice of a football club at our level, and even a long way above our level, is not cash cow in which you are going to reap the rewards in financial returns. It is actually situation where a man, with financial ability to assist and support the club that he loves, is prepared to invest some of his hard earned wealth, in the knowledge that he is very unlikely to see that money again, let alone make a profit from that investment.

As I have said in a post elsewhere, be very careful of what you wish for, as the alternative to John Fenty's ongoing support is likely to be extremely bleak.  


Your post falls apart from the first paragraph, no one will pay for Fenty's mistakes, why is the debt there in the first place.
1) whilst we were paying the tax debt back, JF paid himself how much over back over 4 seasons to claim back the money he paid to get rid of Ramsden.
2) By doing so how much money did that leave for the playing budget and management team to run on.
3) How many managers did he appoint then sack having to pay off both manager and excrement players those managers could afford to bring in.
4) Mike Parker put in £1 million pound in two seasons, how much has Fenty put in 15 years and how does that equate. Why does Fenty if he is so called helping the club out not put the money in shares in the first place rather than burden the club with benign loans.
5) If you love something you maintain it and try to make it better, like it or not Town isn't prospering under Fenty, why ?, and if you call promotion from non league success you need to give your head a wobble, we should never have been there in the first place.
6) The toxic view of Fenty comes with how he treats people, why did Parker leave the board, why did the Mullens leave the board, why was Mighty Mariner asked to do the mascot duties for free when he was only getting £18 a game. What about the time he broke a kids flag sorry deconstructed, how he treated the trust over £200k shares, the checkatrade competition, Why don't we have a Chief Executive, look at Scunthorpe a much smaller club than us to see how that works.
7) It's a fact most of Fenty's appointments have been failures, are you saying he is going to have a run of luck, if so where is the evidence of this.

It's plain to see that JF has tried to run the club like he did his fish business, the problem is in football you get what you pay for and haggling over £50 petrol money can be the difference of landing a decent player or losing him and having to go for someone like Heywood.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
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Your post falls apart from the first paragraph, no one will pay for Fenty's mistakes, why is the debt there in the first place.
1) whilst we were paying the tax debt back, JF paid himself how much over back over 4 seasons to claim back the money he paid to get rid of Ramsden.
2) By doing so how much money did that leave for the playing budget and management team to run on.
3) How many managers did he appoint then sack having to pay off both manager and excrement players those managers could afford to bring in.
4) Mike Parker put in £1 million pound in two seasons, how much has Fenty put in 15 years and how does that equate. Why does Fenty if he is so called helping the club out not put the money in shares in the first place rather than burden the club with benign loans.
5) If you love something you maintain it and try to make it better, like it or not Town isn't prospering under Fenty, why ?, and if you call promotion from non league success you need to give your head a wobble, we should never have been there in the first place.
6) The toxic view of Fenty comes with how he treats people, why did Parker leave the board, why did the Mullens leave the board, why was Mighty Mariner asked to do the mascot duties for free when he was only getting £18 a game. Why don't we have a Chief Executive, look at Scunthorpe a much smaller club than us to see how that works.
7) It's a fact most of Fenty's appointments have been failures, are you saying he is going to have a run of luck, if so where is the evidence of this.

It's plain to see that JF has tried to run the club like he did his fish business, the problem is in football you get what you pay for and haggling over £50 petrol money can be the difference of landing a decent player or losing him and having to go for someone like Heywood.


Great post which makes far more sense than those that have come from the Fenty camp today.  You can't run a football club like a fish business and to say (on another thread) that Mr Fenty is a football man, is one of the strangest statements I've ever seen on here. The facts are there. He has presided over the worst period in the club's history with not one aspect of the club improving under his stewardship.
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Do you really believe GTFC are 'prospering'?

I dont think anyone believes a club like ours would ever be a cash cow. Equally I do believe it can be run with imagination and really involving the community as an alternative to cutting every cost possible


It's straight out of the Tory handbook GTFC austerity.
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Your post falls apart from the first paragraph, no one will pay for Fenty's mistakes, why is the debt there in the first place.
1) whilst we were paying the tax debt back, JF paid himself how much over back over 4 seasons to claim back the money he paid to get rid of Ramsden.
2) By doing so how much money did that leave for the playing budget and management team to run on.
3) How many managers did he appoint then sack having to pay off both manager and excrement players those managers could afford to bring in.
4) Mike Parker put in £1 million pound in two seasons, how much has Fenty put in 15 years and how does that equate. Why does Fenty if he is so called helping the club out not put the money in shares in the first place rather than burden the club with benign loans.
5) If you love something you maintain it and try to make it better, like it or not Town isn't prospering under Fenty, why ?, and if you call promotion from non league success you need to give your head a wobble, we should never have been there in the first place.
6) The toxic view of Fenty comes with how he treats people, why did Parker leave the board, why did the Mullens leave the board, why was Mighty Mariner asked to do the mascot duties for free when he was only getting £18 a game. What about the time he broke a kids flag sorry deconstructed, how he treated the trust over £200k shares, the checkatrade competition, Why don't we have a Chief Executive, look at Scunthorpe a much smaller club than us to see how that works.
7) It's a fact most of Fenty's appointments have been failures, are you saying he is going to have a run of luck, if so where is the evidence of this.

It's plain to see that JF has tried to run the club like he did his fish business, the problem is in football you get what you pay for and haggling over £50 petrol money can be the difference of landing a decent player or losing him and having to go for someone like Heywood.


Inaccuracies and supposition throughout your points I am afraid. Move on.



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If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

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Inaccuracies and supposition throughout your points I am afraid. Move on.



Prove it.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
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Since Alex Ferguson left Man U would you say that their board have been successful in appointing managers, even the rich and big clubs can get it wrong.
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Can people stop using terms like the 'fenty camp', it's the same kind of shite that's sprouted when someone criticises berrett, and they're suddenly berrett haters. We're not all split into gangs on a play ground.
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Your post falls apart from the first paragraph, no one will pay for Fenty's mistakes, why is the debt there in the first place.
1) whilst we were paying the tax debt back, JF paid himself how much over back over 4 seasons to claim back the money he paid to get rid of Ramsden.

Is there any proof he paid himself anything as I cant think I have ever seen any in the published accounts

2) By doing so how much money did that leave for the playing budget and management team to run on.
3) How many managers did he appoint then sack having to pay off both manager and excrement players those managers could afford to bring in.

Most clubs appoint managers who fail at some point, the Board do not go out of thier way to look for the worst manager do they, Hindsight is such a useful super power

4) Mike Parker put in £1 million pound in two seasons, how much has Fenty put in 15 years and how does that equate. Why does Fenty if he is so called helping the club out not put the money in shares in the first place rather than burden the club with benign loans.
5) If you love something you maintain it and try to make it better, like it or not Town isn't prospering under Fenty, why ?, and if you call promotion from non league success you need to give your head a wobble, we should never have been there in the first place.
6) The toxic view of Fenty comes with how he treats people, why did Parker leave the board, why did the Mullens leave the board, why was Mighty Mariner asked to do the mascot duties for free when he was only getting £18 a game. What about the time he broke a kids flag sorry deconstructed, how he treated the trust over £200k shares, the checkatrade competition, Why don't we have a Chief Executive, look at Scunthorpe a much smaller club than us to see how that works.

Parker went on record the day he left saying he had no issues with JF but other members of the board,  

7) It's a fact most of Fenty's appointments have been failures, are you saying he is going to have a run of luck, if so where is the evidence of this.
Same question as 3 and same answer BUT we do have a chief exec hes called Ian Flemming if you did not know.

It's plain to see that JF has tried to run the club like he did his fish business, the problem is in football you get what you pay for and haggling over £50 petrol money can be the difference of landing a decent player or losing him and having to go for someone like Heywood.


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There was a payment approximately £180k per year in the accounts as a pension payment as I recall.
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There was a payment approximately £180k per year in the accounts as a pension payment as I recall.


I was thinking the same that M93 was referring to that money
if so I think the explanation has already been done to death but here goes

JF as Five Star Fish loaned the club x amount which after selling said business the new owners asked for the money back,
This money for tax purposes was paid back to Five Star Fish as pension contributions. JF has on a few occasions explained all the money was paid to the new owners of Five star and none of it went to him personally.( fans forums I believe )


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