Shrews

or should we call them (select as appropriate) Grimsby rejects/reserves/deemed not good enough for us but good enough for Lg1 seem to have started well under PH , , , noticed a certain Danny Coyne on the bench today. Anyone know what's that all about?

Has Henderson played for them yet ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

Has Henderson played for them yet ?

He's been 1st choice Pete

Maybe away with Ingerland then hence Danny Coyne on the bench?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

He's been 1st choice Pete

He did not play today though but that's good.

Quoted from grimsby pete

He did not play today though but that's good.

He was away with the U21s this weekend mate

Quoted from HertsGTFC

He was away with the U21s this weekend mate

Thanks for that he deserves  to be playing so its good that Hurst has been playing him.

They should just rename their club to Grimsby Town and be done with it. Paul Hurst, Chris 'In the Dark' Doig, Toto, Jon Nolan, Dean Henderson, Alex Rodman, and LJL. PH tried to nab Kelly, probably Pearson and McKeown. Looks as though PH has become a competent football league manger, still very early days in the season though so anything could happen.    


  

Fixtures been a bit kind to them so far. Only Oxford in the top half.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Fixtures been a bit kind to them so far. Only Oxford in the top half.

Surprised me though the start they have had

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Fixtures been a bit kind to them so far. Only Oxford in the top half.

Fixtures kind or not they've started brightly and that breeds confidence. You can only beat what's in front of you.
Good luck to them

Ffs some had to start a thread about them

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Ffs some had to start a thread about them

Can understand the interest though considering how long Hurst was here and the success he finally gave us.

For one I always look out for them on the goal rush on channel 5 to see how they have got on (likewise dont look at the football results till I watch them on match of the day and Grimsbys result also on the  goal rush ).

They won't finish in the top half. Put your mortgage on it

My partners nephew who is a Palace season ticket holder went to watch them at Gillingham yesterday. He said they played some very good football. Nolan and Ogogo ran the game and Rodman scored again.

Just shows the players liked PH but the club couldn't mach ph's ambitions

I always wonder how far he could have taken us if he'd have been given real backing, other than that I don't particularly look for shrews results

I have to admit I do keep checking for their results, OK at times I was fed up with the way we played under him but as a person and manager he seemed OK. Good start for them and I hope it continues

Maybe Hurst is showing that he is decent with a squad of better players other non league level lads on year by year deals. Though in the media he never appeared comfortable I met him a couple of times and he was more than polite if not a bit shy.

However in general it looks like players respect him and even the ones who he discarded at GTFC never really came out with anything negative about him in public.

Except for that tubby little drink driver and I doubt PH lost much sleep over that.

Good luck PH.
Thanks for the work you did here.
The end.

Still early days, still can get relegated more interested in our squad tbf

He was as dull as dishwater and so was the majority of his football, tactics, substitutions, bigging up the opposition talk, constant digs at supporters , lack of plan b, and constant failure to give us a decent centre midfield pairing in all his seasons with us.

Him and Scott took over a club on its knee's, turned it around and got us looking upwards after years of descent so fair play for that but the last couple of seasons were pretty dire watching and listening.

Hope he does well as he is slowly building his career up and progressing his CV nicely but i think the timing was right for him move on from us.

FFS, Hurst has gone.

Whatever you think of Hurst, there's no doubting he knows how to set up a well organised team. The problem for us was a lack of attacking flare at home against teams who came to defend. I'd imagine Shrewsbury don't face too many teams doing That, playing into his style. I don't think he's a manager for a team with the labels of favourites, but perfect for a team like shrewsbury.

Quoted from 4055

FFS, Hurst has gone.

Never forget his hat trick in 66 though.

Quoted from Mariner93er

Whatever you think of Hurst, there's no doubting he knows how to set up a well organised team. The problem for us was a lack of attacking flare at home against teams who came to defend. I'd imagine Shrewsbury don't face too many teams doing That, playing into his style. I don't think he's a manager for a team with the labels of favourites, but perfect for a team like shrewsbury.

II agree with this, lets not forget most of his time with us he had squads of non league players who are non league for a reason, sometimes players at that level just don't have the ability to deliver free flowing, attacking football.  

If he carries on like he is, it will be only a matter of time before he will be managing nearer home, Rotherham,Blades or Wednesday

I was negative about him when he was here, ......just goes to show to me the phrases like the grass is greener and you don't know what you've got until it's gone are prob right.

Hurst has loaned my mate's son Ben Godfrey from Norwich and he's playing him, so might go check him/them out when they're at Donny or Scunny or Rotherham. Apparently Hurst tried to loan him when he was at Town but neither city or the player wanted to do it.

Quoted from chaos33

Hurst has loaned my mate's son Ben Godfrey from Norwich and he's playing him, so might go check him/them out when they're at Donny or Scunny or Rotherham. Apparently Hurst tried to loan him when he was at Town but neither city or the player wanted to do it.

And that might be why he is successful in Shrewsbury ... geographically it is a more positive proposition that NE Lincs. Maybe he was giving the backing but many players didn't fancy it in Clee, pretty much all our managers have the same issue.

Quoted from Garth

If he carries on like he is, it will be only a matter of time before he will be managing nearer home, Rotherham,Blades or Wednesday

Which as always been the aim according to a very good pal of his

Quoted from LongEatonMariner

And that might be why he is successful in Shrewsbury ... geographically it is a more positive proposition that NE Lincs. Maybe he was giving the backing but many players didn't fancy it in Clee, pretty much all our managers have the same issue.

In this instance mate, that's not the case. There were some other circumstances around timings and cover, plus the chance of actually playing, and neither Norwich nor Godfrey wanted to play L2 football. L1 is obviously more attractive and better for his professional development given he has a long term future at Norwich.

Shrewsbury is pretty remote from Norwich in any case. With family in York, I don't think location was a factor, and I think it's overstated generally.

He's doing ok most like to knock Fenty but he did stick by him and gave him time to fulfill his mandate when most wanted him gone.

That's probably what made him bitter at Wembley.

Ben Godfrey is ex York City, he can never shake off that York connection can he

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

He's doing ok most like to knock Fenty but he did stick by him and gave him time to fulfill his mandate when most wanted him gone.

That's probably what made him bitter at Wembley.

That mandate took ages to fulfill and yes he got us promoted but not once did we challenge for the title. I personally think it was more like fenty had enough of the hassle of switching managers and started to get used to winning matches all be it against poor opposition. When he said we were lucky that's when I lost it with him tbh like many others

Don't forget, folks, Hurst will never achieve anything in management and, when he does, it is just down to luck and nothing to do with his decisions or signings.

Quoted from chaos33

In this instance mate, that's not the case. There were some other circumstances around timings and cover, plus the chance of actually playing, and neither Norwich nor Godfrey wanted to play L2 football. L1 is obviously more attractive and better for his professional development given he has a long term future at Norwich.

Shrewsbury is pretty remote from Norwich in any case. With family in York, I don't think location was a factor, and I think it's overstated generally.

Fair point.

Quoted from Maringer

Don't forget, folks, Hurst will never achieve anything in management and, when he does, it is just down to luck and nothing to do with his decisions or signings.

Hurst knows the game inside out and his teams will always be organised,

BUT

He let himself down while with us by calling one or two fans moaning at him from the main stand but not praising the great support he got from the thousand of others,

His pre and post match interviews were as dull as ditch water,

Will he get promoted with Shrewsbury ?

I don't care I am glad he is not here at least Bignot gave us a laugh at the interviews and Slade talks a lot of sense.

I don't care how managers sound in interviews, Slade has never got a side promoted and Hurst did despite our endless criticism of him. He's now managed to get his side to start the season well and in the league above us, considering they were 8 points adrift or whatever it was when he took over shows that he's been going a very good job.

There he is, at the top of league one, with a bunch of players that were criticised by a bunch on here in the conference, and he's still getting stick for being 'dull in interviews' and 'not praising the fans'.

You couldn't make it up. If you can't see that he was good for this football club and just accept that he's a good manager, then you're a bit daft and blind to the facts.

What's this obsession with praising the fans anyway?? Firstly, he did praise the fans a lot, but people choose to ignore it. Secondly, who gives a intercourse about being praised???

Who is so insecure in themselves that they need constant assurance that they're a "good" football fan?  

Quoted from mariner91

Who is so insecure in themselves that they need constant assurance that they're a "good" football fan?  

Not so much needing praise but being told along the lines of  "you dont understand the game" and "we have been spoilt" is rather patronising.

Quoted from sam gy

There he is, at the top of league one, with a bunch of players that were criticised by a bunch on here in the conference, and he's still getting stick for being 'dull in interviews' and 'not praising the fans'.

You couldn't make it up. If you can't see that he was good for this football club and just accept that he's a good manager, then you're a bit daft and blind to the facts.

What's this obsession with praising the fans anyway?? Firstly, he did praise the fans a lot, but people choose to ignore it. Secondly, who gives a intercourse about being praised???

He hasn't won anything yet and if I remember correctly there must have been a time when he had us first or second in the National League early on in the season.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Hurst knows the dame inside out and his teams will always be organised,

BUT

He let himself down while with us by calling one or two fans moaning at him from the main stand but not praising the great support he got from the thousand of others,

His pre and post match interviews were as dull as ditch water,

Will he get promoted with Shrewsbury ?

I don't care I am glad he is not here at least Bignot gave us a laugh at the interviews and Slade talks a lot of sense.

Sorry to disagree but I am sure there were plenty of games where we didn't look organised and who is this woman he knows very well?

We were 1st until March in 2013 and we got to second in March 2015, 1 point behind Barnet.

Quoted from moosey_club

Not so much needing praise but being told along the lines of  "you dont understand the game" and "we have been spoilt" is rather patronising.

A couple of comments aimed at a couple of morons and it's all anyone ever focuses on. I remember the Halifax interview and I clearly remember him stressing it was only a minority and praising the majority of fans, but people seem to forget that.

I imagine he was referring to the types of fans that hung up a Hurst Out banner over the motorway a couple of days before he got us promoted.

Quoted from arryarryarry

He hasn't won anything yet and if I remember correctly there must have been a time when he had us first or second in the National League early on in the season.

The point is he is currently at a more successful (recent) club than ours, In the league above. Yet some are adamant he's not very good or some insecure people are glad to be rid of him because he didn't praise them enough.

Quoted from arryarryarry

He hasn't won anything yet and if I remember correctly there must have been a time when he had us first or second in the National League early on in the season.

The way we start seasons I fucking doubt it!

Hurst got us back into the FL and for that I'll be forever grateful to him.

A lot of fans thought we had a divine right to be back in the league - and I agree, it should've been our aim - but just look where Stockport, York and Torquay are (not forgetting Darlington, Hereford, etc). It could've got so much worse if we'd had a manager who didn't handle our situation correctly.

Yes, Hurst had some faults (who doesn't) but, all things considered, he's a good manager and I'm sure he'll enjoy some level of success at whichever club he manages.

Quoted from RichMariner

Hurst got us back into the FL and for that I'll be forever grateful to him.

A lot of fans thought we had a divine right to be back in the league - and I agree, it should've been our aim - but just look where Stockport, York and Torquay are (not forgetting Darlington, Hereford, etc). It could've got so much worse if we'd had a manager who didn't handle our situation correctly.

Yes, Hurst had some faults (who doesn't) but, all things considered, he's a good manager and I'm sure he'll enjoy some level of success at whichever club he manages.

Add to that Wrexham are still down there and must have been for 10 years now. I don't think that Hurst would divide opinion so much if it weren't for Puddy's non red card, that extra year hurt like hell for everyone associated with the club, he'd be held in much unanimous regard.  

It took Luton a similar amount of years as us to get promoted, it took Forest Green millions and millions more pounds than us to get promoted. It's a VERY hard league to get out of.

always liked paul, didnt care about this praising fans nonsense, way some fans behaved at halifax was nothing short of digusting, but people forget that to take a dig at PH

i wish he was still in charge here but he isnt and i wish him nothing but the best for his future, he'll go a long way imo

I don't think anybody on here has said he is a bad manager,

His faults were HE could not except criticism and would rather talk about the negatives far more than the positives,

Some liked him and most are grateful for what he did here in the end,

BUT

Many and I am one of them was glad when he moved on,

He will always be in work like most managers ,how much success he will have does not bother me,

I just want the manager of our club to be successful.

He got us promoted. He needed a change..we needed a change.

Well done for doing a great job at Shrewsbury and thanks for getting us promoted

Quoted from sam gy

The point is he is currently at a more successful (recent) club than ours, In the league above. Yet some are adamant he's not very good or some insecure people are glad to be rid of him because he didn't praise them enough.

Not sure how you can class them as more successful when it took them I think 8 years to get promoted from League 2 after they returned from the Conference.

They are probably currently only in a higher league than us at present because they didn't have the GTFC board and Neil Woods in charge of them.

He's having good run of form and I will be forever grateful we got out of the abyss. What I will remember is the odd snidey remark and cheap comments from him after that Wembley win and also that I can't remember us being a real force when he was in charge, we always seemed to stumble, and every game we played was a swing on lady lucks mammaries as to which way the game went.  I never felt truly confident in Hurst but can only wish him well.

Paul Hurst is a tremendous manager. I wish he was still with us.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Not sure how you can class them as more successful when it took them I think 8 years to get promoted from League 2 after they returned from the Conference.

They are probably currently only in a higher league than us at present because they didn't have the GTFC board and Neil Woods in charge of them.

They have been playing at a higher level than us for the last seven seasons, this is the eighth. For three of those seasons they were two divisions above us.

As I stated, they have been a more successful team than us in recent years.

Thanks for the memories Paul, OK when things were going our way, petulant and peevish when not.
Will do OK in the game but better suited to Shrews type than us, they are more accepting lol.
He took a battering from us time to time and got his ear cupping revenge at Wembley, are we better off without him IMO yes

I must admit, I had/have my doubts about Hurst. I didn't think he was a bad manager by any stretch but I did begin to wonder if he had what it took to get us out of the league. Too often his side could be easily blunted, especially at home and we would seem to run out of ideas on how to break teams down who we were, perhaps, superior to. Too often our football would become very one directional.

However, the flip side is he often knew how to get results in big games (not always but often). Generally by keeping it tight and getting teams to come onto us. For me we often looked better against this opposition.

Once we got promoted, I actually thought Hurst would excel. In a higher division he would be able to deploy the tactics he was more comfortable with. Not as many teams would regard us as a big fish as they did in the national league.

When he decided to move to Shrewsbury, I thought it would suit him down to the ground. A backs against the wall fight against relegation, I think was tailor made for him and his tactics. They've made a very good start to the League One season and it will be interesting if they can maintain this start once teams realise they are a decent team and employ a more defensive approach to games against them.

I think the timing of the move was probably good for Paul, he went to a club who, off the field, are where we hope to be in the next 5 years or so. So we can't blame him for moving.

I wish him all the best, he proved me wrong and got us out of non-league football.

I'd say the majority of Town fans - if they're really honest with themselves - either wanted Hurst to go, or wouldn't have been fussed if he'd have been sacked, at one point or another, before he got us promoted.

He was always up against it. We, the fans, demanded promotion. Hurst, I believe, didn't have the top budget for the division.

As has been said already, we know of teams who fell away completely, teams that have never got out of non-league, and teams that did go up but either waited ages for it or paid huge sums of money.

And as amazing as Operation Promotion was - and the fact it allowed us to buy someone like Bogle - I think it was an extra bit of weight/pressure on Hurst's shoulders to deliver that season (particularly because of the way we missed out against Bristol Rovers).

If I were Hurst, I'd be mightily pleased with what I achieved at Town. As a fan I'm mightily pleased of the job he did. We could pick fault with Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola or any top manager in the world. Every one has his faults.

Sometimes it's more about their legacy. What did they give us? What do we have now that we wouldn't have got without him? That's the true measure of a manager.

Quoted from RichMariner

I'd say the majority of Town fans - if they're really honest with themselves - either wanted Hurst to go, or wouldn't have been fussed if he'd have been sacked, at one point or another, before he got us promoted.

He was always up against it. We, the fans, demanded promotion. Hurst, I believe, didn't have the top budget for the division.

As has been said already, we know of teams who fell away completely, teams that have never got out of non-league, and teams that did go up but either waited ages for it or paid huge sums of money.

And as amazing as Operation Promotion was - and the fact it allowed us to buy someone like Bogle - I think it was an extra bit of weight/pressure on Hurst's shoulders to deliver that season (particularly because of the way we missed out against Bristol Rovers).

If I were Hurst, I'd be mightily pleased with what I achieved at Town. As a fan I'm mightily pleased of the job he did. We could pick fault with Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola or any top manager in the world. Every one has his faults.

Sometimes it's more about their legacy. What did they give us? What do we have now that we wouldn't have got without him? That's the true measure of a manager.

What legacy did he give us? Well, firstly, League 2 football. The rest of it has been swiftly unpicked by successive managers (and Hurst himself, to an extent). I thought he was an excellent manager, though ironically, the best football we ever played under him was shortly before he left in League 2. It was only a small run of three games, but we looked great: Stevenage, Notts County, Luton. Then he seemed to get the fear about conceding so many goals and we went back to being slightly timid and his time with us petered out. I'm not surprised at all he's doing well. I think he was really under-appreciated here, as I suspect would any other manager that was in charge while we were in non-league.

33/1 for Shrewsbury to get promoted is looking very good value  

Just let's be realistic. It's 5th September. So far Shrewsbury has played 4 teams 17th or lower, 3 in the bottom 4 who have yet to win a game. The Shrews have yet to win by more than one goal. When they have played a few of the top sides it will maybe be time to assess properly if they are a better team than last year.

Hurst has had chance to build his own team and sort them out over pre-season which is good for him. A lot depends on how brave he is. To me he will remain a manager whose fear of losing always got the better of his desire to win.

Quoted from MarinerMal

I must admit, I had/have my doubts about Hurst. I didn't think he was a bad manager by any stretch but I did begin to wonder if he had what it took to get us out of the league. Too often his side could be easily blunted, especially at home and we would seem to run out of ideas on how to break teams down who we were, perhaps, superior to. Too often our football would become very one directional.

However, the flip side is he often knew how to get results in big games (not always but often). Generally by keeping it tight and getting teams to come onto us. For me we often looked better against this opposition.

Once we got promoted, I actually thought Hurst would excel. In a higher division he would be able to deploy the tactics he was more comfortable with. Not as many teams would regard us as a big fish as they did in the national league.

When he decided to move to Shrewsbury, I thought it would suit him down to the ground. A backs against the wall fight against relegation, I think was tailor made for him and his tactics. They've made a very good start to the League One season and it will be interesting if they can maintain this start once teams realise they are a decent team and employ a more defensive approach to games against them.

I think the timing of the move was probably good for Paul, he went to a club who, off the field, are where we hope to be in the next 5 years or so. So we can't blame him for moving.

I wish him all the best, he proved me wrong and got us out of non-league football.

I think that's why hes doing well at the moment.

Teams he is facing in league 1 are not setting up for a draw like teams was against us in non-league, and thats when he struggled

It must be so boring with nothing to look forward to when winning every match you play

Quoted from GrimRob

33/1 for Shrewsbury to get promoted is looking very good value  

How many games have they played so far ?  

Quoted from sam gy

They have been playing at a higher level than us for the last seven seasons, this is the eighth. For three of those seasons they were two divisions above us.

As I stated, they have been a more successful team than us in recent years.

Erm, like I said they didn't have JF & co on the board and Neil Woods as manager.

And as for success in recent years, if PH is that good why did it take him so long to get us promoted.

Well, we always had at least two or three clubs outspending us, often by a lot, so no great surprise we didn't pop straight back up. I actually thought we were a better team the season before we finally won promotion and deserved it more that year than the following. We just managed to put the results together that time (and without the terrible refereeing decisions going against us either).

I think he's a good manager. Certainly not a great one but perfectly capable. It's a real achievement for anyone to win promotion from the Conference, it's such a tight league at the top end. Many managers have failed there, often after spending a heck of a lot more money than Hurst ever did.

Quoted from Maringer

Well, we always had at least two or three clubs outspending us, often by a lot, so no great surprise we didn't pop straight back up. I actually thought we were a better team the season before we finally won promotion and deserved it more that year than the following. We just managed to put the results together that time (and without the terrible refereeing decisions going against us either).

I think he's a good manager. Certainly not a great one but perfectly capable. It's a real achievement for anyone to win promotion from the Conference, it's such a tight league at the top end. Many managers have failed there, often after spending a heck of a lot more money than Hurst ever did.

I'd agree with that entirely. Stick Podge in that side instead of Pittman or Palmer for the whole season and I think we would have been as well.

Hurst is capable to a point as a manager, I'm not a big fan, but the sad fact is that he's been by far the best we've had for donkey's years. Really depressing when you think how long it is.. We've been treated to some c rap appointments over the years..

If we had matched Shrews offer and kept Hurst and not spent even more money on two managers and two new teams would we have been in a stronger more settled position and looking forward to a more optimistic future ?
Hurst wasn't perfect but he lead a great team spirit and did achieve what he failed so narrowly to do 12 months before
I would have had him here still but don't wish him any success at Shrews as I'm a long in the tooth bitter Town fan

For me, Hurst could have achieved more with us, sooner if he hadn't been so damned negative in his tactics. I think we scraped back in to the Football League. Interesting that when we were doing badly under him we were always told by his fans that 'the season lasts 46 matches'. Now a handful of games in, the Shrews; results prove what a good manager he is.

And I'll never forget 5-1 at Braintree.

By complete fluke I had a chat with him in the summer. Nice bloke but clearly felt he now has better backing than he had with us. Didn't like how he set us up and told him so, his response was that he would always rather draw than lose - very pragmatic but not necessarily what a Grimsby Town fan wants. I think several Town fans would rather us play well and lose than play dull ball and draw.

The if he had stayed how good we have been is a no go,

He wanted to leave and took the first offer available,

Thank you Hursty and goodbye.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

For me, Hurst could have achieved more with us, sooner if he hadn't been so damned negative in his tactics. I think we scraped back in to the Football League. Interesting that when we were doing badly under him we were always told by his fans that 'the season lasts 46 matches'. Now a handful of games in, the Shrews; results prove what a good manager he is.

And I'll never forget 5-1 at Braintree.

Never forget it was 5-0

Quoted from UpTheMariners

Never forget it was 5-0

and wasn't Hurst

Interesting to see the views on history. I actually think that you should judge Hurst on his time with GTFC when he had the job on his own as the 2 managers thing would never work.

So 13/14 - play offs but never really good enough with the players "they both" assembled

14/15 - robbed? Well we could not have got closer. Despite the romantics we where a better side the year after.

15/16 - promotion, maybe without storming the league but objective achieved

The football was not great but we where a non league team with non league players so in reality it's hardly every going to be a spectacle is it.

Legacy? - well if nothing else he got us out of a league that only has 2 promotion spots and brought through Bogle from what was supposedly a £50k but to a sale that may have been around 20 times that sum in 18 months.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

And I'll never forget 5-1 at Braintree.

Sounds like you might have.

Things can`t be all that bad on the home front if all we can talk about is Shrewsbury

Hurst has done well at Shrewsbury fair play to him.

Despite that, I'd not be putting a single penny on them winning the league given his track record of decent starts followed by dropping players, form dips, re-address in January, make shite signings then limp over the line. Repeat until you manage to do it.

To be in this position with a side previously in relegation trouble is actually an achievement though.

Quoted from Brazilnut

and wasn't Hurst

Scott and Hurst so still partly to blame.

People forget that we progressed each year under Hurst. We had a bigger budget than most Conference clubs but that doesn't automatically guarantee you success, as the oursleves, Luton and Tranmere have found out. What he did give us was stability, something the club hadn't had for at least ten years beforehand.

He seems to be doing the same at Shrewsbury. They were releagtion fodder when he took over, and he kept them up. This season they're doing better so Hurst is doing what Hurst is good at. Fairly limited budget - in comparison to some of the other clubs in the division - plus fairly limited income from home games, but he's doing the business.

Some folk will be carping about his attitude to fans and his pragmatism when he's in charge of a semi decent Championship side whilst also hoping that he may bring them to BP for a semi decent pre season friendly.

Thanks for everything Paul, but we do move on, and hopefully another three points on Saturday to give our fans something to focus on, and hope for.

People also forget that Monkhouse got injured otherwise he'd of continued to play him and we most likely wouldn't of got promoted! Anyways, who cares about Hurst now...........UTM

Quoted from arryarryarry

Erm, like I said they didn't have JF & co on the board and Neil Woods as manager.

And as for success in recent years, if PH is that good why did it take him so long to get us promoted.

That is, quite frankly, a ridiculous argument. And it doesn't change the facts at all. As much as it pains me to say it, right now and for the last 8 or so years, they have been a more successful team than us. It's fact. Yes, if we had a different chairman, and employed a different manager 8/9 years ago, there is a possibility that could have been different....also, if we were actually formed in Manchester all those years ago, decided to wear red and called ourselves Manchester United first, things could've turned out differently too.

The fact that the conference is an incredibly hard league to get out of and has been for most clubs has been touched on a lot here. Obviously you don't want to factor that in so there's no point bringing it up again.

Quoted from oochiad

People also forget that Monkhouse got injured otherwise he'd of continued to play him and we most likely wouldn't of got promoted! Anyways, who cares about Hurst now...........UTM

......but we did manage to stay in the playoffs all season with him in the team in the first place.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Sounds like you might have.

Let's just say I was being kind to PH and crediting his (and RS') team with an extra goal.

Hurst has been promoted at every club he's been at. The football we played was far from exciting, but it's got him to the position he's in now with Shrewsbury. I've said it previously, but he's a perfect fit for a team that isn't one of the favourites. His style prevents conceding too many with the chance of nicking wins. At a team were the fans aren't full of expectations, his style would be welcomed. In many ways, he could have done a good job for us still.

Quoted from sam gy

That is, quite frankly, a ridiculous argument. And it doesn't change the facts at all. As much as it pains me to say it, right now and for the last 8 or so years, they have been a more successful team than us. It's fact. Yes, if we had a different chairman, and employed a different manager 8/9 years ago, there is a possibility that could have been different....also, if we were actually formed in Manchester all those years ago, decided to wear red and called ourselves Manchester United first, things could've turned out differently too.

The fact that the conference is an incredibly hard league to get out of and has been for most clubs has been touched on a lot here. Obviously you don't want to factor that in so there's no point bringing it up again.

Why is it ridiculous, we were dumped out of the Football League because the board gave the job of keeping us in the league to a man who clearly had no idea how to manage an adult football team (and that comes from a couple of players who he tried to manage), and even after his disastrous run without a win failed to sack him. A simple decision that could have saved the past 6 years of pain and if they had sacked him we could well be in the same league as Shrewsbury, and whatthefuck that has to do with Manchester, I have no idea.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Why is it ridiculous, we were dumped out of the Football League because the board gave the job of keeping us in the league to a man who clearly had no idea how to manage an adult football team (and that comes from a couple of players who he tried to manage), and even after his disastrous run without a win failed to sack him. A simple decision that could have saved the past 6 years of pain and if they had sacked him we could well be in the same league as Shrewsbury, and whatthefuck that has to do with Manchester, I have no idea.

I think another way he could have put it is "and if my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle".

The fact we could have had a different chairman, managers etc for the last 9 years doesnt stop the fact we didnt. And Shrewsbury have spent those years 1 or 2 tiers above us i.e. being more successful

Well done Paul Hurst MOTM down hill from here 😂 All the best

Quoted from toontown

I think another way he could have put it is "and if my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle".

The fact we could have had a different chairman, managers etc for the last 9 years doesnt stop the fact we didnt. And Shrewsbury have spent those years 1 or 2 tiers above us i.e. being more successful

Arry is right. One simple straightforward decision by the then chairman and we would not have been relegated. The only argument against this that makes sense is that nobody else wanted the job so we were stuck with a nice coach who had no idea about management and team building. Then, having got the parachute money and one of the biggest budgets in non-league, the chairman amazingly allowed the same manager to fritter it away on dross. JF has been loyal to the club, but he sure needed to be after his catalogue of errors.

As for the Shrews, they have been up and down too but when they were relegated they appointed an experienced non-league manager and signed top non-league players and went straight back up. An object lesson that many of us pointed out to our then chairman when he stuck with Woods. They have managed to stay up since then and even reach L1. To stay there or go further, in the longer term they need a more dynamic and tactically savvy manager than PH. But he will organise them well and stop them leaking too many goals.

Quoted from grimsby pete

How many games have they played so far ?  

That's why they are still 14/1 to get promoted. I topped up yesterday. PH has an outstanding record, very few managers can have never been sacked after the number of years he has had in the game. He'll probably manage at least one level higher IMO. It was a very astute signing to bring him here, and even better to keep him on his own after the demise of RS. Most managerial appointments have been rubbish to disastrous over the last 15 years but he was the one exception (the jury is still out on the present manager).