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It's hardly as if PH kept the squad together! He tore it apart and we only had 5 left from the promotion winning squad. Of the players that remained, three have gone back to non-league. So to some extent we've had to do sign a lot of players and I really don't buy the above opinion that this has occurred since PH left and he is unaccountable. He deserves a large portion of the blame. Look at the squad that PH left:
- Macca and Henderson in goal (not too bad)
- Mills, Davies, Collins, Pearson, Gowling, Boyce, Jones, Andrew in defence. 5/8 of those have left with only 1 moving upwards deservedly and the others now playing in non-league so what does that tell you?
- Bolarinwa, Browne, Berrett, Chambers, Summerfield, Comley, Vose, McAllister, Disley in midfield. So four are left but two (Berrett and Summerfield) are not good enough and one is a crock unfortunately. Comley wasn't good enough. Disley is now in the Conference North and was too old to be a mainstay. Chambers is in the Conference North. Browne it didn't work out. And Vose doesn't even have a club! So we're left with 1 fit and useful midfielder from the squad PH put together.
- Up front we had Bogle, Vernon, Tuton and Jackson. Vernon was unfit at the start of the season. Tuton was useless and Jackson showed glimpses of promise but didn't do enough. We had a squad that solely relied on Bogle and he was always going to go either in January or this summer. Which would have left us with a squad that would have not scored any goals in a month of Sundays.
PH was a decent manager and he's doing a really good job so far this season with Shrewsbury. However, the squad he left us with was pants and would have been in deep trouble had we not had Bogle on form (also remember he didn't start Bogle for the first three games for some unknown reason). We needed to bring players in but the main problem has been not getting rid of some of those who are probably biggish earners (Berrett and Summerfield) and some of the signings brought in haven't been inspiring either (Kelly, Clarke and Dixon).
Well thought out post M91! Can't disagree too much with any of that |
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Hope R/S repaid the favour he owed Glen Downey's old man.
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It's hardly as if PH kept the squad together! He tore it apart and we only had 5 left from the promotion winning squad. Of the players that remained, three have gone back to non-league. So to some extent we've had to do sign a lot of players and I really don't buy the above opinion that this has occurred since PH left and he is unaccountable. He deserves a large portion of the blame. Look at the squad that PH left:
- Macca and Henderson in goal (not too bad)
- Mills, Davies, Collins, Pearson, Gowling, Boyce, Jones, Andrew in defence. 5/8 of those have left with only 1 moving upwards deservedly and the others now playing in non-league so what does that tell you?
- Bolarinwa, Browne, Berrett, Chambers, Summerfield, Comley, Vose, McAllister, Disley in midfield. So four are left but two (Berrett and Summerfield) are not good enough and one is a crock unfortunately. Comley wasn't good enough. Disley is now in the Conference North and was too old to be a mainstay. Chambers is in the Conference North. Browne it didn't work out. And Vose doesn't even have a club! So we're left with 1 fit and useful midfielder from the squad PH put together.
- Up front we had Bogle, Vernon, Tuton and Jackson. Vernon was unfit at the start of the season. Tuton was useless and Jackson showed glimpses of promise but didn't do enough. We had a squad that solely relied on Bogle and he was always going to go either in January or this summer. Which would have left us with a squad that would have not scored any goals in a month of Sundays.
PH was a decent manager and he's doing a really good job so far this season with Shrewsbury. However, the squad he left us with was pants and would have been in deep trouble had we not had Bogle on form (also remember he didn't start Bogle for the first three games for some unknown reason). We needed to bring players in but the main problem has been not getting rid of some of those who are probably biggish earners (Berrett and Summerfield) and some of the signings brought in haven't been inspiring either (Kelly, Clarke and Dixon).
Hurst's squad certainly wasn't a big one and was doing fine when he left. Small changes in January would've been fine. A lot of whether players are good enough is about opinions and I think it's clear that Hurst is capable of building teams with players people think aren't good enough. Bignot changed too much too quickly and destroyed the stability we had. |
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Hurst's squad certainly wasn't a big one and was doing fine when he left. Small changes in January would've been fine. A lot of whether players are good enough is about opinions and I think it's clear that Hurst is capable of building teams with players people think aren't good enough. Bignot changed too much too quickly and destroyed the stability we had.
It relied completely on Bogle for goals. The rest of the Hurst squad managed 20 goals between them all season. |
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It relied completely on Bogle for goals. The rest of the Hurst squad managed 20 goals between them all season.
As soon as Hurst left that squad was dismantled. He wasn't with us for the window and I reckon he'd have made us far stronger than Bignot. This season I think some of the players people have said are shite are actually half decent. Dixon is a prime example, he actually looks a really tidy fullback and I haven't read anything positive about him. I'm also shocked about the Berrett stick as he's been decent for Slade. |
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As soon as Hurst left that squad was dismantled. He wasn't with us for the window and I reckon he'd have made us far stronger than Bignot.
This season I think some of the players people have said are shite are actually half decent. Dixon is a prime example, he actually looks a really tidy fullback and I haven't read anything positive about him. I'm also shocked about the Berrett stick as he's been decent for Slade.
Agree on all counts - regarding Bignot, it was no use giving him the money to spend in the window and then not let him develop what he brought in. Berrett looks far better played centrally than he ever did out wide, interesting that the only game we've been poor in midfield is the game he missed and Dixon looks competent without being as good as Danny Andrew. |
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As soon as Hurst left that squad was dismantled. He wasn't with us for the window and I reckon he'd have made us far stronger than Bignot.
This season I think some of the players people have said are shite are actually half decent. Dixon is a prime example, he actually looks a really tidy fullback and I haven't read anything positive about him. I'm also shocked about the Berrett stick as he's been decent for Slade.
I admit I've spent 10 seconds thinking about it, but I can't remember Hurst ever doing much in the January transfer window that was any good. |
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I admit I've spent 10 seconds thinking about it, but I can't remember Hurst ever doing much in the January transfer window that was any good.
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As soon as Hurst left that squad was dismantled. He wasn't with us for the window and I reckon he'd have made us far stronger than Bignot.
This season I think some of the players people have said are shite are actually half decent. Dixon is a prime example, he actually looks a really tidy fullback and I haven't read anything positive about him. I'm also shocked about the Berrett stick as he's been decent for Slade.
Hursts January business was generally woeful, Bignot signed some shite in January but he also signed some people who are now key players. |
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Of the players Slade signed (loans not inc) Dembele is the only one that stands out as more than average
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