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KingstonMariner
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Golly, lots of people know that football has been evolving since the year dot. But that's got intercourse all to do with the opposition to the changes to the FL Trophy competition. It's not reactionary Luddism. It's about protecting the fundamental values of the game. It's about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

If clubs are losing money on the competition, end it.  Lots of people are prepared for that to happen. And would rather see that than allowing the Trojan Horse to enter. Allowing to FL trophy to die wouldn't exactly be reactionary now would it?

And if you want to take a hard-nosed, business led approach to things, the lower League clubs could negotiate a much better position than the odd million quid being chucked their collective way. The PL need the FL more than the FL need the PL in respect of player development. We've got the competition that they crave for their under-utilised resources. They've got the billions. So for Harvey to persuade Fenty and other chairmen to bend over and say to the PL, 'take your turn gents, no lube required' is a failure in pure finance terms. Naivety masquerading as commercialism. And these are supposed to be businessmen.


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The small band of middle class football fans driving the Checkatrade Trophy complaints (and I mean nationally rather than just the Grimsby fans) should maybe remember that a noisy minority is still a minority and ignore the real issue that brought about the changes- the majority of clubs entering the competition lost money from competing in it.

Barnsley were the last winners of the JPT. Their total prize money was just £124,000 for winning the whole tournament. The majority however got next to nothing. Gate receipts are none existent until you get to the regional Semi-Final. Basically 40 out of 48 clubs used to lose money competing in the JPT.

This season clubs get £20k just for competing, £10k for a group stage win £5k for a draw. The winners of the competition can earn up to £310k in prize money (if they win all their group games).

So Grimsby are 1 game into the tournament and have already received £25k- enough to cover the wages of YT graduates Tom Sawyer & Jack Keeble this season.

It's easy for some clubs in League One & Two to scoff at a guaranteed £20k, but for the majority it's a vital new revenue stream. It's very easy for middle class, keyboard warrior football fans to protest at the changes to the competition, but to some it's the difference between profit and loss for an entire season.

Maybe football at our level is broken and has sold out. But don't blame the poor guy doing what he has to to make ends meet. Blame the people in power who have put him in that position in the first place.

And anyway, so what if there's change. Until 1966 there was only 2 domestic club matches a season played at Wembley Stadium- the FA Cup Final & the FA Amateur Cup Final.

1967 - League Cup Final moved to Wembley.
1974 - FA Amateur Cup discontinued. Finals of both FA Trophy & FA Vase played at Wembley.
1974 - Charity Shield moved to Wembley.
1985 - Football League Trophy Final moved to Wembley.
1986 - Full Members Cup Final played at Wembley (until 1992).
1990 - Football League Play-off Finals moved to Wembley.
1991 - 1st FA Cup Semi-Final played at Wembley.
2007 - National League Promotion Final moved to Wembley.
2008 - Both FA Cup Semi-Finals moved to (New) Wembley.

Which goes to show, English Football isn't 1 long tradition. It's been evolving over the decades. We've gone from 2 domestic games at Wembley in season 1965/66 to there being 12 domestic games at Wembley in season 2016/17.

Each time a new game was added to Wembley there were mutterings that it devalued Wembley and went against the traditions of English football. It didn't. English football has been evolving since the Football League formed in 1888.

With regards to the EFL Trophy vote. It was simple. Have a tournament with 16 academy teams in it with a prize pool of £3 million (more than 500% increase on the final JPT). Or revert to a 48 team tournament with no guarantee of any prize money whatsoever.

I am Fenty's biggest critic, but when those are the 2 options what is he supposed to do?


I think you're underestimating the strength of feeling against the current tournament. Fans are rightly worried that B Teams being involved in first team competitions threatens our future as a football league club. Then FA and Premier League have been pushing a agenda to see B teams enter the pyramid, when met with opposition they've been trying to do it a different way. Clubs like ours can't sell out in the short term when the long term loss could be huge.


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Can't believe it turns out we're all middle class for opposing the Checkatrade Trophy. How about when we play our  next game in it we all get together and have a protest cheese board?
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I know the trophy has never attracted huge interest, but I reckon something beween 1.500 and 2,000 Town supporters boycotted Tuesday's match. Is that really a 'middle class minority'?
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What would happen if the League DID allow B teams in our league next season,

Would you boycott all Towns games or just the ones when we play the B teams ?

If you say all games then you are not a true supporter of our great club.


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B teams in professional competition, should not be allowed. EVER. Football in England is born in character of every boy on the school field. Our clubs, of which there about 100 professional teams, plus the chaps that would like to establish themselves. mimicking Spain is not a realistic option in our game. Sorry. intercourse off .


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Eventually and it could be 10 plus years but relegation from the prem will cease, all these foreign owners do not put millions into a club with the risk that they could be relegated. To get from the championship to the prem you will need to meet certain criteria, Bournemouth at the moment with a ground that only holds approx 10/11k would not go up. They only want clubs like Leeds, Villa etc to go up.
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Quoted from Gaffer58
Eventually and it could be 10 plus years but relegation from the prem will cease, all these foreign owners do not put millions into a club with the risk that they could be relegated. To get from the championship to the prem you will need to meet certain criteria, Bournemouth at the moment with a ground that only holds approx 10/11k would not go up. They only want clubs like Leeds, Villa etc to go up.


Bournemouth are a classic example of a team that has bought success. Yes they have a very good manager but it's not the fairy tale it's made out to be. The sad thing is they are taking the place of teams with much larger fan bases who don't have the same financial backing. IMO there are as many big clubs in the Championship as the Prem nowadays.
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Do we not get the chance to play squad members that are coming back to fitness, players that are not part of the starting 11 and also looking at potential loan players from bigger clubs that will not figure in there starting 20.
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Do we not get the chance to play squad members that are coming back to fitness, players that are not part of the starting 11 and also looking at potential loan players from bigger clubs that will not figure in there starting 20.


We could be giving game time to our players that need it in a competition consisting of League 1 & 2 teams could we not?

If the bigger clubs didn't stockpile all the youngsters then they may well be learning their trade in the FL!
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