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Mighty_Mariner
August 23, 2017, 1:30pm
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Quoted from GrimRob
Just had a look at the league rules. I am worried that we could be charged with misconduct if this continues. As far as I can see the could fine us, but not go as far as a points deduction.


And let's be honest, you couldn't blame them if they did. It's a pathetic record and one which we need to improve on... and quick!!


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The odd thing is that we're far from a dirty or cynical team but we're in a run of red cards which is pretty much unprecedented from my recollection. I think at least two or three of them were a touch unfortunate including the one from last night.

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The odd thing is that we're far from a dirty or cynical team but we're in a run of red cards which is pretty much unprecedented from my recollection. I think at least two or three of them were a touch unfortunate including the one from last night.

When it's going against you, it's going against you...


As daft as it seems, I could cope with dirty or cynical.  But these are just stupid accumulations of yellows or off the ball elbows etc.  Total lack of discipline I'm afraid.


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I've just watched the highlights, I think Davies is unlucky to get a yellow he takes the ball then the man with his momentum, but where the ref is stood theres no way he saw the ball being taken first


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The ref was our old friend Trevor Kettle.

Every time he's reffed us there has been cotrversay.  He seems to be one of those refs that we always seem to get the rough end of the stick with.

I wish he protected Boliwinwa as much as he seemed to protect their players. Tom was on the receiving end of equally bad tackles that got Davies sent off but chose to keep his cards in his pocket. He could have easily booked the Derby players for some of the cynical tackles on Tom and produced a red.
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Did Ben Davies get sent off for kicking the ball away? I thought the second yellow was for bringing the man down when he was racing into our half.


Ben Davies' first booking was for kicking the ball away after a daft foul by Dixon who got booked as well.

His second, and I have looked at it several times where he doesn't appear to get the ball, was for taking their player out.

James Berrett could easily have been sent off for the rash tackle he got booked for.

I think Russell Slade is deluding himself.
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Not seen the replay, but on the night, the second looked like he got the ball to me and, if not, was perhaps just a fraction later into the challenge than their player. Not worthy of a booking in my opinion and certainly not worth a second yellow for a red card. However, if you get a stupid first booking, you're always at risk from a poor refereeing decision. Of which we seem to get plenty.
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Not seen the replay, but on the night, the second looked like he got the ball to me and, if not, was perhaps just a fraction later into the challenge than their player. Not worthy of a booking in my opinion and certainly not worth a second yellow for a red card. However, if you get a stupid first booking, you're always at risk from a poor refereeing decision. Of which we seem to get plenty.


That was my initial reaction, but having viewed it frame by frame he doesn't seem to connect as the ball continues in the same trajectory as the Derby player was running so if he didn't connect then as I stated earlier his challenge however close to actually getting the ball did result in taking the Derby player out and stopping his run so on that basis the ref probably didn't have much choice.

However I still think the ref was crap as he could have easily sent Pearce off for them.
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Quoted from Mighty_Mariner
Don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere else but what is the record for consecutive red cards for a club? We must be close to beating that unwanted record surely!

Should we be concerned about our disciplinary record or have the players just been unlucky in large part?

I can only speak for the Stevenage game but from what I saw Jones' was certainly not a red and their guy made a meal of it - has anything been said about us appealing?

Whatever way we look at it this can't continue. Slade called Matt Deans question on discipline issues within the squad as 'ridiculous' but it's clearly a problem that needs addressing.

Ending on a positive note, by all accounts the performance last night was a marked improvement but was that just because Derby allowed us more time and space that we wouldn't get in the league?

Saturday has become a very important game now and with Wycombe losing 4-0 last week, a game who h could hopefully turn the tide out way.

HTM!


From my position, it was a blatant red card, a full elbow to the chest. Stupid move, right in view of the ref who was watching the defender for holding Jones. We might have got a penalty had he not retaliated.


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If you adk me its pure frustration.  Jones playing out of position not making an impact from the wing getting more and more frustrated.  Mills second yellow was a little unfortunate as i believe he was targeted by Dennis.  Anyway we just need to keep diggin in we'll come good im sure.


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