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Hardly one to get the juices flowing and ANOTHER midfielder. Another two year deal. Don't see any previous links with slade or wilko. Very very strange signing
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Maybe Slade has scouted him and thinks he's better/different to what we've got.
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Without knowing anything about him he signed in January for Newport, so looks to have been part of the team that turned it around in back end of the season.
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Hardly one to get the juices flowing and ANOTHER midfielder. Another two year deal. Don't see any previous links with slade or wilko. Very very strange signing
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He's a box to box midfielder apparently so hopefully he'll have lots of energy to burn
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He's a box to box midfielder apparently so hopefully he'll have lots of energy to burn
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Got your rose coloured specs on?
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The one who hit the ref?
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Why are you so quick to judge a player before he has even kicked a ball for us?
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Not good enough for Mansfield..... Released by nearly relegated Newport...
Signs for Town on a 2 year deal
Summerfield, Berrett springs to mind
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Seems he did well for Mansfield in 15/16 and only left because the Stags started splashing the cash for players from higher leagues.
As someone else pointed out, his time at Newport coincided with them turning things around.
He sounds like an industrious type of player, and athletic. Should complement Osborne and Clements well, given that they have a bit more quality on the ball (and part of MB's 'technical' legacy).
I can understand Slade's thinking here.
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Not good enough for Mansfield..... Released by nearly relegated Newport...
Signs for Town on a 2 year deal
Summerfield, Berrett springs to mind
Made 52 appearances in 18 months at Mansfield and 12 for Newport in the last half of last season. So at 22 he's been played quite a lot, considering a lot of players at that age nowadays have only a handful of competitive games. To me that would suggest he's got something about him at least. |
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Welcome aboard. Look forward to seeing him in action. If anything we've been screaming out for in the past decade or so is a strong box to box midfielder. Echo the voice of others in that he must have something about him to have played that many games at 22.
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In his interview on the MP ;
Hails from Doncaster and jumped at the chance to come closer to home to what he considers an ambitious club with a great fan base.
Knows Sam Jones very well outside of football as well as Yussuf and Clements within football. Hopefully should help him settle in quickly.
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If he's that good and helped Newport turn things around then why have they released him would be my arguement
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If he's that good and helped Newport turn things around then why have they released him would be my arguement
Not entirely sure of circumstances. But just being released doesn't mean you're automatically "not good enough". To say he played for a nearly relegated side, whilst is accurate on first glance, it is not entirely the full story is it. Newport from the turn of January/February were not a relegation team. They clawed their way back out..... He signed in January. Give the lad a chance he signed less than a bloody hour ago. |
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I'm not writing him off, just making initial comments like everyone does. On paper, does not seem good enough to get us out of this league
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If he's that good and helped Newport turn things around then why have they released him would be my arguement
Could be many reasons, he had a short term deal there probably until the end of the season so maybe he wanted too much money to stay or something like a longer contract and they just decided to let him go. Maybe he didn't want to stay because he had other offers on the table. While this signing isn't a thrilling coup or anything he seems like the kind of player we want to have in somebody who has a lot of energy and gets around the pitch. |
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Good signing on paper for me. Box-to-box midfielder, hopefully a good replacement for Craig Disley, he's only 22 and got plenty of time to improve as well. Radio Humberside interview here >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p053nvym |
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If he's that good and helped Newport turn things around then why have they released him would be my arguement
If he's based around here, and was playing all the way over in Newport, maybe he was never interested in staying and was always going to look for something closer to home? |
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Sounds to me like a young player who went to Newport to put himself in the shop window... and did
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Could be many reasons, he had a short term deal there probably until the end of the season so maybe he wanted too much money to stay or something like a longer contract and they just decided to let him go. Maybe he didn't want to stay because he had other offers on the table. While this signing isn't a thrilling coup or anything he seems like the kind of player we want to have in somebody who has a lot of energy and gets around the pitch.
Thing is though got released by Newport.If your any good by and large you wont get released.However having said that Iam willing to give the guy a chance as he is still young |
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Assume he will be in the middle of a 3 man midfield then.
Welcome Mitch.
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He's scored against Cheltenham that's got to be a plus
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Thing is though got released by Newport.If your any good by and large you wont get released.However having said that Iam willing to give the guy a chance as he is still young
Perhaps we offered him a better deal and he decided to come here. He may have been offered a contract by Newport and any number of other clubs for all we know. Released covers a lot of scenarios. |
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Rose is decent from what I've seen so far hes a sort of Kante type player that gets stuck in in midfield. Good signing
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Also the younger brother of England left back Danny Rose so has the potential
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Also the younger brother of England left back Danny Rose so has the potential
thanks for the challenge - come on fishy posters.how many times can you prove that theory completely wrong? i'll start with marco and ricardo gabbiadini plus tomi and shola ameobi thrown in |
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What with Akeem now Mitch,we only have to sign Danny and we would have a bunch.
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Sounds like he's the Paul Bolland box to box type of player that Slade likes
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Thing is though got released by Newport.If your any good by and large you wont get released.However having said that Iam willing to give the guy a chance as he is still young
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thanks for the challenge - come on fishy posters.how many times can you prove that theory completely wrong?
i'll start with marco and ricardo gabbiadini plus tomi and shola ameobi thrown in
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thanks for the challenge - come on fishy posters.how many times can you prove that theory completely wrong?
i'll start with marco and ricardo gabbiadini plus tomi and shola ameobi thrown in
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Rose is decent from what I've seen so far hes a sort of Kante type player that gets stuck in in midfield. Good signing
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I can only assume he's going to be a squad player giving competition to mccalister. Newport fans not impressed by him at all. I hoped our first signing would be one of quality (remie streete, Nathan Clarke, gavin Massey) and we end up with a lad that's been released from frigging Newport. Finding it hard to be positive about this one I'm
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Near enough every player in our squad, and I daresay every other L2 clubs' squads, have been released at some point in their career.
And with respect thats why there playing at this level.By and large I mark success at a club by a sustained period of activity which is often followed by a move to a bigger and better club if ones a youngster .Hence young players who are are any good will often rise up the ranks in the lower leagues.Remember Harry Redknapp in a interview saying the same thing."Creme will rise to the top." And that will be the case if you have genuine ability and mental strength |
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And with respect thats why there playing at this level.By and large I mark success at a club by a sustained period of activity which is often followed by a move to a bigger and better club if ones a youngster .Hence young players who are are any good will more often than not rise up the ranks in the lower leagues.Remember Harry Redknapp in a interview saying the same thing."Creme will rise to the top." And that will be the case if you have genuine ability and mental strength
But we're not at the top, we're nowhere near it. Do you honestly expect every player we sign to be on some sort of meteoric rise to the Premier League?! We're a L2 club. We'll hopefully cherry pick some of the talent from divisions below us, there'll be a pool of players who are released from clubs in our league or the one above that may be of interest to us and there'll be youngsters released from bigger clubs who are looking to restart their career. Nearly all of them will have been released at some point. |
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I can only assume he's going to be a squad player giving competition to mccalister. Newport fans not impressed by him at all. I hoped our first signing would be one of quality (remie streete, Nathan Clarke, gavin Massey) and we end up with a lad that's been released from frigging Newport. Finding it hard to be positive about this one I'm
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Strikes me that Slade & Wilkie have identified particular areas of play they need to strengthen which is a bit different to just signing another central midfield player.
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But we're not at the top, we're nowhere near it. Do you honestly expect every player we sign to be on some sort of meteoric rise to the Premier League?! We're a L2 club. We'll hopefully cherry pick some of the talent from divisions below us, there'll be a pool of players who are released from clubs in our league or the one above that may be of interest to us and there'll be youngsters released from bigger clubs who are looking to restart their career. Nearly all of them will have been released at some point.
I agree your right.All boils down to money though doesnt it.Players if there any good will want to secure a deal thats best for themselves if their talent permits it.You cant blame them really though |
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Well he's a posotive sounding lad and we do need someone in the middle to win the ball for us. How many times have the fans kept saying the opposition just walked straight through us? RS has moved to fix that problem so i'm happy to see how the lad goes.Good luck son |
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I've already decided he is gash before i have seen him play, he's got to be hasn't he? I mean Newport......
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And with respect thats why there playing at this level.By and large I mark success at a club by a sustained period of activity which is often followed by a move to a bigger and better club if ones a youngster .Hence young players who are are any good will often rise up the ranks in the lower leagues.Remember Harry Redknapp in a interview saying the same thing."Creme will rise to the top." And that will be the case if you have genuine ability and mental strength
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We clearly need someone who can get up and down, because our current midfielders are a bit pedestrian. Hopefully he will do the job.
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I have to say I'm supprised at this, frankly we shouldn't have signed anyone in the middle until we shifted some of those already there on. Isn't this one of the reasons MB was being criticised for signing players in areas we were already overloaded.
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The reaction to us signing players never fails to amaze me. Could we all not just allows ourselves to think Slade add Wilko have a far superior knowledge of football and players than any of us and trust in their judgement.
If they have identified Mitch as a player that will help us next season then that's good enough for me.
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Slade may well know of other contracted players nearing getting deals at other clubs sorted out.
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At least the comments so far have not mentioned "Journeyman" or "has his legs gone". Welcome Mitch hope you enjoy your time with us.
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Two year contract that`s my concern, still we are not desperate for midfielders so he was not a panic buy, you have got to trust the management, welcome Mitch
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Two year contract that`s my concern, still we are not desperate for midfielders so he was not a panic buy, you have got to trust the management, welcome Mitch
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Weve lost disley, comley and maxwell from centre midfield and can imagine summerfield moving on so we are already better off for numbers in cm. I'd imagine Rose will be on less wages than Dis was too.
Weve been asking for a bit of an engine in centre mid for a while and as long as he's not going to be a clint marcelle or des hamilton then i'll be happy.
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I once spoke to a player from the first Slade era who told me that RS has in mind how he's going to play and win, then acquires the players to carry out his plan. The characteristics of those players include but are not limited to: Extreme physical fitness, size and strength especially in defence and up front, a couple of really quick guys, midfielders who run around like a blue a**e fly (a la Parkinson).
In all, a game plan based around never letting the opposition settle, wearing them out and being able to spring the unexpected.
Seems like Mitch is a classic RS player. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the plan fall into place.
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He's 22 years old FFS. Did Redknapp then go on to say "but if a player hasn't reached his full potential by his early 20's, then they will never get any better, and are destined for a career in the lower leagues, if that".
Worrys me though that he has has been released by Newport.Wouldent of minded if it was a club in the champ eg Forest etc. Hope he proves me wrong though but facts generally speak for themselves.If your any good you wouldn't be released by a non glamorous club like Newport. |
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]Worrys me though [/b]that he has has been released by Newport.Wouldent of minded if it was a club in the champ eg Forest etc.
Hope he proves me wrong though but facts generally speak for themselves.If your any good you wouldn't be released by a non glamorous club like Newport.
Don't be worried , he's a fantastic signing and will be the answer to all our centre mid-field problems. RS has identified that we are deficient in mid-fielders ( pretty much like MB and PH did ) and has used all his experience and contacts ( along with Wilko ) to pluck out this " gem " , probably from under the very noses of the other promotion hopefuls in League 2. Exciting times ahead this summer and I can't wait to renew my ST ( which I always do anyway whoever is the manager ). |
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Rick can you please divide all of the clubs in the 92 into two lists: glamorous and non-glamorous so we can know whether or not the players we sign are exciting or non-exciting signings. Thanks.
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Rick can you please divide all of the clubs in the 92 into two lists: glamourous and non-glamorous so we can know whether or not the players we sign are exciting or non-exciting signings. Thanks.
Look where Newport ended up though.Isnt rocket science to understand they cant be that good |
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Don't be worried , he's a fantastic signing and will be the answer to all our centre mid-field problems. RS has identified that we are deficient in mid-fielders ( pretty much like MB and PH did ) and has used all his experience and contacts ( along with Wilko ) to pluck out this " gem " , probably from under the very noses of the other promotion hopefuls in League 2. Exciting times ahead this summer and I can't wait to renew my ST ( which I always do anyway whoever is the manager ).
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Don't be worried , he's a fantastic signing and will be the answer to all our centre mid-field problems. RS has identified that we are deficient in mid-fielders ( pretty much like MB and PH did ) and has used all his experience and contacts ( along with Wilko ) to pluck out this " gem " , probably from under the very noses of the other promotion hopefuls in League 2. Exciting times ahead this summer and I can't wait to renew my ST ( which I always do anyway whoever is the manager ).
Or perhaps they've identified (like nearly everyone on here) that our midfield is lacking in athleticism and energy and in order to get the best out of players like Osborne he needs to get someone in who is capable of covering a lot of ground. I bet you were unhappy when we signed Paul Bolland in 2005 as he'd just been released by Notts County who finished 19th and he turned out alright. I don't know anything about Rose but I'd bet you don't either. He's young, played a decent amount of games for his age and was well thought of at Mansfield. He's probably not the best midfielder in the league but if he improves us as a team and adds something we don't have, then he'll do just fine. |
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Like the optimism Rancido
Of course and why not. We have RS back as manager and with all his experience and contacts we are virtually guaranteed promotion. |
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Well let's see what Slade and Wilco can offer we can only hope their experience will prove invaluable welcome aboard Mitch.
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Look where Newport ended up though.Isnt rocket science to understand they cant be that good
Maybe he was released to let him go on to better things like Craig Clay was at Worksop before he came to us? |
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Look where Newport ended up though.Isnt rocket science to understand they cant be that good
Newports form since January when rose signed and they got their new manager was that of a play off team. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of blind prejudice |
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Or perhaps they've identified (like nearly everyone on here) that our midfield is lacking in athleticism and energy and in order to get the best out of players like Osborne he needs to get someone in who is capable of covering a lot of ground. I bet you were unhappy when we signed Paul Bolland in 2005 as he'd just been released by Notts County who finished 19th and he turned out alright.
I don't know anything about Rose but I'd bet you don't either. He's young, played a decent amount of games for his age and was well thought of at Mansfield. He's probably not the best midfielder in the league but if he improves us as a team and adds something we don't have, then he'll do just fine.
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Look where Newport ended up though.Isnt rocket science to understand they cant be that good
If football was rocket science, then the best teams would be the ones with the best mathematical formula and the coaches would all be scientists. Luckily, football is more akin to cooking and mixing the right ingredients. |
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Newports form since January when rose signed and they got their new manager was that of a play off team. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of blind prejudice
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If football was rocket science, then the best teams would be the ones with the best mathematical formula and the coaches would all be scientists. Luckily, football is more akin to cooking and mixing the right ingredients.
Also about letting your feet do the talking and having the right mental resolve to get the best out of ones ability. |
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I hope the lad does well, good luck to him.
He has on his CV what it takes to get a deal at GTFC,
- Played for Mansfield
- Been at Rotherham
- As well as Ilkeston
A trail others have followed to BP.Do we only deal with agents based in South Yorks & Notts I wonder.?
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I once spoke to a player from the first Slade era who told me that RS has in mind how he's going to play and win, then acquires the players to carry out his plan. The characteristics of those players include but are not limited to: Extreme physical fitness, size and strength especially in defence and up front, a couple of really quick guys, midfielders who run around like a blue a**e fly (a la Parkinson).
In all, a game plan based around never letting the opposition settle, wearing them out and being able to spring the unexpected.
Seems like Mitch is a classic RS player. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the plan fall into place.
That is how recruitment should be done. Identify where I you want the business to go (or in football terms how you want to play) and recruit people according to that. I feel Bignot went down the route of signing people before he identified a clear game plan and tried to make them fit into some unbalanced mess. |
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I can not believe the adverse comments on here, Give the lad a chance I trust Slade to get the right players in for a promotion push, If the worse comes to the worse we can only play him when Joyce is the ref, He can give him a shove from us  ( joke ) |
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Newports form since January when rose signed and they got their new manager was that of a play off team. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of blind prejudice
Hmm your facts are a bit squiffed, he was signed short term like Gunning as a fill in for the regular player who was injured, once Labadie was fit he wasn't going to play any more and did not.
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He played in 35 games in all last season for Mansfield and Newport,
He was suspended for 5 games so he did not miss many games when he was not suspended
So 2 different managers played him most of the time.
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Also about letting your feet do the talking and having the right mental resolve to get the best out of ones ability.
Which is one of the ingredients i referred to. RS is big on attitude, so i would say he has the right mentality. |
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Simple , we dont know if he'll be chit, brilliant or OK till hes turned out at least a dozen times for us so lets wait and see. Welcome Mitch,
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Not happy with this signing.
Just when I thought we'd got rid of the hassle of having to use initials for the Jones pair, now we've been lumbered with..
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Which is one of the ingredients i referred to. RS is big on attitude, so i would say he has the right mentality.
Thats what I like about Slade.As much as I liked Bignot in interview thought Slade came across in a more professional manner.No doubt helped by having a degree in sports science as he was a pe teacher As for Rose yes he was released by a non glamour club but as he is young Iam willing to give him a chance and hope he has it within him to want to improve and work hard unlike some we have had in the past. |
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Thats what I like about Slade.As much as I liked Bignot in interview thought Slade came across in a more professional manner.No doubt helped by having a degree in sports science as he was a pe teacher
As for Rose yes he was released by a non glamour club but as he is young Iam willing to give him a chance and hope he has it within him to want to improve and work hard unlike some we have had in the past.
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"Mitch Rose is a good player mate. Was player of the season until november, He got injured and fell out of favour.... Went on loan to Newport and did well for them too. Most Stags fans wanted to keep him but Evans never gave him a chance
He was Murray's player and when he left and Evans came in I don't think he played once. Versatile, strong, quick. Can play wing back or centre mid"
This is the assessment of a friend of mine who watches every Mansfield home game. Decent player himself so I'm willing to trust his judgement. Strong and quick sounds like what we're missing, anyone who saw the shambolic display at Barnet would testify to that.
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I'm sure he'll sleep better tonight with that ringing endorsement.
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"Mitch Rose is a good player mate. Was player of the season until november, He got injured and fell out of favour.... Went on loan to Newport and did well for them too. Most Stags fans wanted to keep him but Evans never gave him a chance
He was Murray's player and when he left and Evans came in I don't think he played once. Versatile, strong, quick. Can play wing back or centre mid"
This is the assessment of a friend of mine who watches every Mansfield home game. Decent player himself so I'm willing to trust his judgement. Strong and quick sounds like what we're missing, anyone who saw the shambolic display at Barnet would testify to that.
Hes young as well which is a big bonus.I know some youngsters have got something about them but may not have the mental discipline to produce it on a consistent basis.Hope Slade can get the best out of him. |
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So is he a replacement for Andrew or will he run all over the pitch picking up second balls, which is very high on Slade's list of priorities? Not Osbourne's strength; will be interesting to see what happens with him.
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So is he a replacement for Andrew or will he run all over the pitch picking up second balls, which is very high on Slade's list of priorities. Not Osbourne's strength; will be interesting to see what happens with him.
My guess is that he's coming to play midfield as he was described on the OS as a "box to box midfielder". Like you said, picking up second balls is very high up Slade's list of priorities and it's an area we were poor in for most of last season. Either way, we need an injection of pace and strength throughout the squad but particularly in the spine where we were seriously lacking (no quick CB's, no quick CM's and only one quick striker who was mostly injured). I also think we'll only ever see one out of Clements or Osborne playing in a midfield three. Neither are particularly athletic but both are decent on the ball. Perhaps Clements would get the nod in difficult away games because he gets stuck in a bit more but he isn't as creative as Osborne who might start in games where we're looking to take the play to the opposition. |
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Newports form since January when rose signed and they got their new manager was that of a play off team. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of blind prejudice
Hmm your facts are a bit squiffed, he was signed short term like Gunning as a fill in for the regular player who was injured, once Labadie was fit he wasn't going to play any more and did not.
Aaah, but if you read my post carefully I don't actually ascribe this change in fortune to rose being played.the context was that a poster had said because he played for Newport and they were rubbish, therefore any Newport player was rubbish.i merely pointed out that it was very much a tale of 2 parts to the season and that for the time rose played for them they were in play off form,which rather nullifies his argument |
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Aaah, but if you read my post carefully I don't actually ascribe this change in fortune to rose being played.the context was that a poster had said because he played for Newport and they were rubbish, therefore any Newport player was rubbish.
Not rubbish Forza just I felt initially below par for a club such as ours given he had been released.Even if we are in the lower reaches of the league system we still have a good history to be proud of with a good fan base. Anyone that plays football be it the prem down to the conference North and even beyond deserves respect.All relative though |
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I read that before sigining for Mansfield Town, he previously played right-back and centre-back as well as his favoured centre midfield position.
A Mansfield fan on the 'one football forum' said: "When he first came here he looked a class above, real tough tackling intelligent midfielder that could also play a bit. Murray was too scared to play him in a middle two because he was a young lad and always had him play in front of the back four OR at right back which wasn't his position and he lost his place in the team a lot. I hope he does well at Grimsby because I really liked him, he can hit a ball too and was so so close to scoring some right screamers. Evans got rid of him at Rotherham thats why we had him, then he got rid of him again."
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Rightly or wrongly, the negativity on here is at least understandable. Most of us know relatively little about the vast majority of players at this level, so it's only natural that people go on a player's recent career history and the general sentiment of fans of his last club or two.
As a general rule, I think it's noticeable that our better signings in recent times have been either players signed from a lower division for a fee, or dropping down from a league or two above.
Players moving up - McKeown, Pearson, Hearn, Bogle, Mills, Osborne, Jones
Those who came down - Connell, Disley, Neilson, Lennie (contentious, maybe), Amond, Townsend, Andrew, Collins
That lot would make a pretty good team at the peak of their powers.
That's not to say there haven't been decent players signed from within our own division, Gowling and Magnay spring to mind, plus the odd wildcard like Nolan, but there don't seem to be as many that stand out.
It seems logical to me - if you're not shelling out a fee for up and coming talent or signing a player who is used to playing at a higher level, the likelihood is you're signing someone who hasn't been 'all that' in our own division as I suspect we lack the financial clout to be signing top performing League Two players.
All that said, Rose is young, appears to have good pedigree and I've got a lot more confidence in our existing management team not only as judges of ability, but also in their own abilities to develop players, than I had in the previous regime. Time will tell.
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Bit of a stretch, but I'd quite like to see Slade sign Derby's George Thorne. A useful central midfielder.
Play Mitch wide on the right, Ahkeem on the left and put Thorne in between two Roses for a change.
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I think RS will have sorted out his ways of playing and will add players to fit those systems where they don't already exist. No more square pegs in round holes.
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Bit of a stretch, but I'd quite like to see Slade sign Derby's George Thorne. A useful central midfielder.
Play Mitch wide on the right, Ahkeem on the left and put Thorne in between two Roses for a change.
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I'd never heard of Bob Cumming or Baillieston Juniors when we signed him from them - but he turned out alright.
If Mitch Rose is any good (and I trust RS/PW's judgement) then he's exactly what our midfield needs.
Give the lad a chance.......
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We may never know but clearly Evans and Mitch don't get on. Released from Rotherham and immediately shipped out of Mansfield when Evans arrived.
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My concern is not so much the player who may or may not turn out to be what we require in midfield its more a genuine concern that we are still suffering from giving out two year contracts to players who are not your Omar/ Osborne type but might be another Summerfield or dare I say it Gunning.
Maybe he would only sign a two year contract who knows, lets hope it turns out Ok for all parties
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Rightly or wrongly, the negativity on here is at least understandable. Most of us know relatively little about the vast majority of players at this level, so it's only natural that people go on a player's recent career history and the general sentiment of fans of his last club or two.
As a general rule, I think it's noticeable that our better signings in recent times have been either players signed from a lower division for a fee, or dropping down from a league or two above.
Players moving up - McKeown, Pearson, Hearn, Bogle, Mills, Osborne, Jones
Those who came down - Connell, Disley, Neilson, Lennie (contentious, maybe), Amond, Townsend, Andrew, Collins
That lot would make a pretty good team at the peak of their powers.
That's not to say there haven't been decent players signed from within our own division, Gowling and Magnay spring to mind, plus the odd wildcard like Nolan, but there don't seem to be as many that stand out.
It seems logical to me - if you're not shelling out a fee for up and coming talent or signing a player who is used to playing at a higher level, the likelihood is you're signing someone who hasn't been 'all that' in our own division as I suspect we lack the financial clout to be signing top performing League Two players.
All that said, Rose is young, appears to have good pedigree and I've got a lot more confidence in our existing management team not only as judges of ability, but also in their own abilities to develop players, than I had in the previous regime. Time will tell.
good point poojah - you could also add that when we were non league we tended to buy the better players in the division, even if quite a few of them didn't work out! a prime examples would be gowling, colbeck, mackreth and soares (who was generally felt to be one of the best midfielders in the division). there was also that nutty centre forward and the tallish winger who came on loan (my memory is going for names!). we knew these players and had seen them being decent so we got a bit of a lift when they arrived. seeing the new lad having been released by relegation threatened newport and who is obviously not rated by evans doesn't exactly get the hairs on the back of your neck standing up! |
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My concern is not so much the player who may or may not turn out to be what we require in midfield its more a genuine concern that we are still suffering from giving out two year contracts to players who are not your Omar/ Osborne type but might be another Summerfield or dare I say it Gunning.
Maybe he would only sign a two year contract who knows, lets hope it turns out Ok for all parties
I would say that 2 year deals are pretty standard in league football. You can't build a side with 1 year deals as there has to be some commitment from both parties. Yeah, it's going to bite you on the bum now and again, but that's part and parcel of football, you can't always get every signing correct. You just have to trust the judgement of the manager and whatever you think of RS, he does have a lot of experience. |
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As with Jon Nolan, he suited us alot more than he suited Lincoln's style of play.
same could be with Rose.
I read some Mansfield fans saying he started very good, but good pushed out when they started splashing the cash.
as for a 2 year contract, thats normal these days in football...
If Slade really wanted him, Rose might of declined a 1 year contract, because XXX offered a 2 year contract...
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Looks like a possible astute signing, Interesting some already made their mind up despite never seing him play....
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I like the sound of this guy, our midfield looks pretty strong really. I'm a fan of Osbourne and Clements, and Sam Jones is effectively a midfielder too. I haver to say that our midfield hasn't impressed me in many years, so sounds like we might be quite strong there from now on. That was one feature of Slade's last stint, Bolland, Kalaka and Woodhouse were all good players.
Big hopes for Clifton still. Venney looks like he might struggle to get a contract though, being just "invited back to pre-season". I'd imagine he'll look elsewhere in the meantime.
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Looks like a possible astute signing, Interesting some already made their mind up despite never seing him play....
Works both ways, some unhappy and not impressed some very happy without ever seeing him play. No one knows until they have seen him play for us how good or bad he will be. |
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Newports form since January when rose signed and they got their new manager was that of a play off team. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of blind prejudice
Hmm your facts are a bit squiffed, he was signed short term like Gunning as a fill in for the regular player who was injured, once Labadie was fit he wasn't going to play any more and did not.
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I hope the lad does well, good luck to him.
A trail others have followed to BP.Do we only deal with agents based in South Yorks & Notts I wonder.?
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Works both ways, some unhappy and not impressed some very happy without ever seeing him play.
No one knows until they have seen him play for us how good or bad he will be.
Exactly this. I don't know why people can't just wait till August and see what he's like when he's playing for GTFC. Why do we need to form an opinion immediately based on what other people have said or some stats that may or may not tell the whole story? |
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Not much positive there, let's hope they are wrong. I don't think most have problems with the specific player more the area of recruitment given that we are clearly overloaded in that position and people are already speculating that the budget is tight and we need a small but quality focused squad. I think we are desperate for some movements out now but is there any incentive for Summerfield, Berret or McAllister to move on, or will they just sit and collect their wages? |
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Not sure why people cant just say welcome aboard instead of scrutinising his career or lambasting him because he came from a team near the bottom of the league. I think its obvious that some of the midfielders wont get a look in and will inevitably leave but Rose looks from what ive seen as a positive signing. Energetic loves to tackle and can score goals.
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One of them says his second touch was always a tackle. On that disgrace of a pitch most second touches would have been chest high or over your bl88dy head after hitting one of the mole hills, so if the ball is close enough for him to make a tackle he must be a hell of a player. Welcome Mitch. |
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Not sure why people cant just say welcome aboard instead of scrutinising his career or lambasting him because he came from a team near the bottom of the league. I think its obvious that some of the midfielders wont get a look in and will inevitably leave but Rose looks from what ive seen as a positive signing. Energetic loves to tackle and can score goals.
This is the kind of thing that people were saying when we signed Summerfield and Berret last season. Anyone who had an opinion that signing players from a relegated side wasn't the way to improve our team were given short shrift - especially when some said it seemed daft offering them 2 year deals - now look at what people are saying, we're lumbered with 2 duffers on another years contract and trying to ship them out. I'd be very surprised if we weren't wanting to move this lad on in 12 months time but tied to another 12 months. You don't improve your own side by signing cast offs from teams like Newport, especially not when you give them 2 year deals. I'd have preferred we gave Disley another year. In fact, I'd actually prefer it if we gave our own young lads like Clifton etc more of a chance, but that doesn't look like it will happen any time soon. |
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Was he really a Newport cast off though? He was not in Evans plans, so went to Newport in Jan and played 12 games; a time in which the form of Newport went up dramatically and they avoided certain relegation. His contract ended and for all we know Newport were not able to offer him a deal, or he told them that he wanted to return around this area, so they never bothered offering anything. I would say he already knew of our interest before the season was even over.
The other scenario was that he was indeed crap at Newport and they didn't want him but he was playing in a doggo side on a doggo pitch and hardly had time to set the world on fire. Some Mansfield fans rated him highly, so i wouldn't take much notice of what Newport fans say, they probably wouldn't know a good player from a bad one. He may have simply not settled at Newport. I think Slade sees him for the Paul Bolland role.
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If they wanted him they would have been 'in discussions' lol
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Clearly the term "manage your expectations" has not landed looking at the posts on this thread
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Clearly the term "manage your expectations" has not landed looking at the posts on this thread
That's what i was thinking. I think some fans forget that we are currently a mid table League 2 side, with an average gate of 5000, playing in a run down old stadium, stuck out in an unfashionable eastern outpost. That probably precludes 99.9% of all footballers from being targets and the ones that are left are being pursued by every other League 2 and National League side out there. It's not all doom and gloom of course and we do have a lot going for us. Excellent fans and about as good and experienced a manager as we could hope for in this league, but we are not the massive draw some would like to think and unless you are chucking loads of money at it like Mansfield obviously are, or you are a Portsmouth of this world, some of the signings are going to have to be astute and maybe not very mouth watering. It's up to the manager to get the best out of them and produce a side capable of taking us to the next level, where we would be in a better position to acquire players of a better standard. Meanwhile, i think Slade proved last time he was here that he could attract some very good players that we hadn't really heard of. Mildenhall, Jones, Bolland, Reddy, Kalala, to name a few, are some of the best players we have had in the last 12 or 13 years. |
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That's what i was thinking.
I think some fans forget that we are currently a mid table League 2 side, with an average gate of 5000, playing in a run down old stadium, stuck out in an unfashionable eastern outpost. That probably precludes 99.9% of all footballers from being targets and the ones that are left are being pursued by every other League 2 and National League side out there.
It's not all doom and gloom of course and we do have a lot going for us. Excellent fans and about as good and experienced a manager as we could hope for in this league, but we are not the massive draw some would like to think and unless you are chucking loads of money at it like Mansfield obviously are, or you are a Portsmouth of this world, some of the signings are going to have to be astute and maybe not very mouth watering. It's up to the manager to get the best out of them and produce a side capable of taking us to the next level, where we would be in a better position to acquire players of a better standard. Meanwhile, i think Slade proved last time he was here that he could attract some very good players that we hadn't really heard of. Mildenhall, Jones, Bolland, Reddy, Kalala, to name a few, are some of the best players we have had in the last 12 or 13 years.
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I think some fans forget that we are currently a mid table League 2 side, with an average gate of 5000, playing in a run down old stadium, stuck out in an unfashionable eastern outpost. That probably precludes 99.9% of all footballers from being targets and the ones that are left are being pursued by every other League 2 and National League side out there.
Thing is what we have over others is a good history which a lot of other clubs cant boast.That does count for something if say two clubs were offering a player a deal on similar contract terms. |
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Thing is what we have over others is a good history which a lot of other clubs cant boast.That does count for something if say two clubs were offering a player a deal on similar contract terms.
No it doesn't. What if they don't want to be saddled with the ridiculous expectations of some fans because 15 years ago we were a crap Championship side. |
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Thing is what we have over others is a good history which a lot of other clubs cant boast.That does count for something if say two clubs were offering a player a deal on similar contract terms.
No it doesn't. What if they don't want to be saddled with the ridiculous expectations of some fans because 15 years ago we were a crap Championship side. |
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What some people forget too is that we don't have a great RECENT history....players in their early 20's will not remember us ever being in the championship.
We've been League Two or lower for the past 13 years.
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What some people forget too is that we don't have a great RECENT history....players in their early 20's will not remember us ever being in the championship.
We've been League Two or lower for the past 13 years.
That was another point i didn't mention. We were non league for 6 years and are just re-establishing ourselves back in the league. |
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No it doesn't. What if they don't want to be saddled with the ridiculous expectations of some fans because 15 years ago we were a crap Championship side.
Think it still does though obviously does depend on the player.I know this is fact for some players more than others having heard it from the horses mouth |
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Just been reading the Telegraph article from when Rose signed and he said that RS had watched his games and done some research on him. I think that's a big part of what RS does, with meticulous attention to detail, so i imagine he has a very specific role in mind for Mitch and that will be drilled into him from the start. I imagine he will be the Paul Bolland of the team, getting about the pitch and breaking up opposition attacks. For the younger fans who may not have been around last time, we will be a very mobile and quick breaking side, all the time hassling the opposition and wearing them down; keeping the ball high up the pitch and not giving defenders any time on the ball. I'm not expecting Rose to be creative and scoring goals, but a willing runner, who will let the likes of Jones and Osborne do the damage. He will probably excel in this area, which is the unglamorous side of football and possibly why the Newport fans didn't take to him.
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