General election

Quoted from Maringer

Typically, of course, our flipping stupid electoral system takes the biscuit. The Tories got 5% more votes than Labour but 21% more seats. .

How do you think the libdems feel. Over two million votes and only 12 seats. The SNP get 900k votes but 35 seats.

The next big political and sporting shock is for England to win the under 20 World Cup and Scotland to beat England.  Well, the last one had better be a step too far.
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The wonderful thing about democracy is that results may surprise us, it delivers what the people want, even when we did not know we wanted it.

This includes leaving the EU, America voting for Trump, even when most of the USA and the world could not understand why.  

Teresa May, like that over-stuffed little haggis, Nicola Sturgeon, also believed her own publicity, and was also over-confident and lost. She could not admit that she wrong about the Dementia Tax and tried to hoodwink the British electorate.  Too arrogant by half - and misguided.

Mrs May said that Labour would deliver a coalition of chaos.  She said "this country needs stability".  She hardly said anything else.............

But this country did not want stability.  It wanted change; chaos and instability.  And that is exactly what it has got.

The young disenfranchised Remain voters (most of the 48%), had their say.  Brexit impacts on them more in the longer-turn.

Winston Churchill said in 1937:  "Courage is the first human quality, it is the quality that guarantees all others". May does not have this, along with other missing core qualities.

Quoted from barralad

Yep and once they'd achieved that they went back to their interests in improvements in the lot of the working class-something the Tories totally failed to communicate.

Exactly they skulked back to where they had always come from nothing to do with the working class vote, I'm sure there was a good number of drunk off pensioners but the main increase and I'l hazard guess was from the brainwashed youth believeing they can get everything for free thanks to our left wing educational institutions, but also the momentum organisation who ran a great campaign to be fair targeting the young impressionable's through social media.

I think it's now time the government got to grips withe the with bias in schools and universities, there was a survey carried out recently that shows at least 8 out of 10 lectures are left wing! How can this be any good for a balanced society? I think it's time we had some kind of impartiality legislation brought in for a start and I'd  also raise the voting age to 21 as most don't live in the real world until they get a proper job, I know there are exceptions but I'm talking about the majority.

Enough bickering from me, peace to all , I was a bit disappointed but it is done. We all have our own perspectives and I respect yours this is a democracy utm

If you looked at what was on offer from the two main parties,

Tories saying you will have to pay for social care from the sale of your family home,

Labour giving free this and free that,

AND

Labour still finished nearly 60 seats short they will never have a better chance of getting into power.

Good Lord, it's comical the way that the result has suddenly changed around the facts so much that it is now Labour's fault for not winning! A Tory landslide was expected, it doesn't arrive and now it should have been a Labour win?

They started off massively behind and May only called the fricking election in the first place because the polls were so much in her favour. To think Labour should have somehow done the almost impossible even though May was seen to be so shite by the public is ridiculous. Bear in mind the swing was a good bit bigger than Blair's back in 1997 but the Tories had rendered themselves unelectable by then after years of backstabbing and incompetence.

Oddly enough, the polls narrowed so much only when the election was called - the broadcast media were then legally bound to give balanced coverage to all major parties and people then realised that Corbyn was actually a reasonable chap and not the baby-eating communist devil previously portrayed by lazy journalists. Who knows? Another couple of weeks and they might have been able to turn it around even further.

Let's not just change reality because it doesn't follow our preferred narrative - that's the job of fuckwits like Chris Leslie.

Quoted from Grim74

Exactly they skulked back to where they had always come from nothing to do with the working class vote, I'm sure there was a good number of drunk off pensioners but the main increase and I'l hazard guess was from the brainwashed youth believeing they can get everything for free thanks to our left wing educational institutions, but also the momentum organisation who ran a great campaign to be fair targeting the young impressionable's through social media.

I think it's now time the government got to grips withe the with bias in schools and universities, there was a survey carried out recently that shows at least 8 out of 10 lectures are left wing! How can this be any good for a balanced society? I think it's time we had some kind of impartiality legislation brought in for a start and I'd  also raise the voting age to 21 as most don't live in the real world until they get a proper job, I know there are exceptions but I'm talking about the majority.

Apparently there is solid evidence out there to say that the biggest influence on the lives of children is parental. My take is that the young who stand to suffer the most IF Brexit goes pear shaped exacted a revenge. They did so in spite of the most biased press campaign in British electoral history which failed because the young tend not to read the papers. I don't supposed you'd write clauses into your anti bias legislation to bring the press into line? Of course you wouldn't because that would interfere with their freedom of speech...

Quoted from barralad

Apparently there is solid evidence out there to say that the biggest influence on the lives of children is parental. My take is that the young who stand to suffer the most IF Brexit goes pear shaped exacted a revenge. They did so in spite of the most biased press campaign in British electoral history which failed because the young tend not to read the papers. I don't supposed you'd write clauses into your anti bias legislation to bring the press into line? Of course you wouldn't because that would interfere with their freedom of speech...

I am sure the free tuition fees got a few to get out of bed and vote for the first time Ian

Quoted from grimsby pete

I am sure the free tuition fees got a few to get out of bed and vote for the first time Ian

Don't doubt it Pete although the assumption that they needed that to get them out of bed is a sweeping generalisation that is unfair in the extreme. I benefitted from a totally free education...why shouldn't they?

I wonder how much the press will talk about the Tories relying on terrorist sympathisers votes.