General election

Quoted from Grim74

Labour supporting blogger for the Guardian😩 Move on nothing to see here.

Can you provide an alternative source that proves this guy wrong?

Quoted from Grim74

Labour supporting blogger for the Guardian😩 Move on nothing to see here.

Struggling to find any article or website that says different, even the economist, which is staunchly Tory admits it https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2013/11/the-tories-have-piled-on-more-debt-than-labour/

Prove me wrong with facts from a credible source and I'll happily back down

I think the Tories have piled up the debt in recent years and haven't cut the deficit by as much as they'd hoped (I haven't read the Richard Murphy piece, I am unable to click on the link for moral reasons but Maringer told me off a while ago for my ad hominem attack so I'll refrain from commenting further  ), so no argument from me.

What do you see as the alternative? I certainly don't see a credible plan from Labour to change this but I'd be interested to hear you thoughts on this.  

If Labour had piled up the debt like the Tories have over the last 7 years despite record low interest rates and swinging cuts to the disabled and poorest we would never hear the last of it.  
The Tory Party have never helped the working classes and the poor & needy . If you value the NHS and the future of state education Labour is the only choice.
Cameron promised everything to everyone to get elected May will promise nothing and claim a mandate for everything.
It will be shameful and cowardly if she does not agree to TV debates, Is she too important to stand before the people and be questioned?

  

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Struggling to find any article or website that says different, even the economist, which is staunchly Tory admits it https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2013/11/the-tories-have-piled-on-more-debt-than-labour/

Prove me wrong with facts from a credible source and I'll happily back down

That’s true if you add up borrowing under Labour governments since 1945, whether or not you adjust for inflation. But it isn’t a fair comparison because the UK economy and the government have both got bigger.

https://fullfact.org/economy/government-borrowing/

I might be wrong but Im sure your source conveniently left out the mass overborrowing during to the financial crisis, Also worth noting the massive costs involved for the Tory's of given the job of rebuilding the country after the war.

Quoted from Town Monkey

I think the Tories have piled up the debt in recent years and haven't cut the deficit by as much as they'd hoped (I haven't read the Richard Murphy piece, I am unable to click on the link for moral reasons but Maringer told me off a while ago for my ad hominem attack so I'll refrain from commenting further  ), so no argument from me.

What do you see as the alternative? I certainly don't see a credible plan from Labour to change this but I'd be interested to hear you thoughts on this.  

I don't know to be perfectly honest. Higher tax and anti-globalisation policies seem the only logical solution to reducing debt in the long term without devastating public services. But I do struggle to understand whether the debt really matters anyway given the Bank of England has used quantative easing twice in recent times to release trillions of pounds to banks - an amount which is way in excess of what is saved by all the cut backs.

When I looked at my last financial year tax statement there was a chart showing where my money went - approximately 60% goes to Welfare and Pensions and a further 20% to the NHS, yet somehow the right wing press have got everybody up in arms about the cost of being in the EU and Overseas Aid, which make up about 3% of where my tax goes.

I don't have any answers but my instinct tells me to never trust the right wing, I'd rather have an incompetent left wing government in place who I trust to spend money where it's actually needed.

A tiny bit off topic, but who on the fishy thinks that this board holds a far better political debate than anywhere else? Not that it's a bad thing mind.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

I don't have any answers but my instinct tells me to never trust the right wing, I'd rather have an incompetent left wing government in place who I trust to spend money where it's actually needed.

That's all well and good but the last Labour government nearly bankrupt the country, and the one before that brought the country to a standstill, every time Labour have power it always ends badly for the country simply because they are driven by socialism.

Quoted from Grim74

That’s true if you add up borrowing under Labour governments since 1945, whether or not you adjust for inflation. But it isn’t a fair comparison because the UK economy and the government have both got bigger.

https://fullfact.org/economy/government-borrowing/

I might be wrong but Im sure your source conveniently left out the mass overborrowing during to the financial crisis, Also worth noting the massive costs involved for the Tory's of given the job of rebuilding the country after the war.

Your sentence about mass overborrowing doesn't make sense. That's not a grammar police issue but I'm not clear on what you are trying to say. If it is that too much money was borrowed during the crisis then as most of the borrowing went on bailing out banks who were playing Monopoly with their (our) money what would your alternative have been?
I don't really want to use historical fact but by any measure Attlee's 45-51 Government must have borne much of the cost of "rebuilding Britain".

Quoted from codcheeky

If Labour had piled up the debt like the Tories have over the last 7 years despite record low interest rates and swinging cuts to the disabled and poorest we would never hear the last of it.  
The Tory Party have never helped the working classes and the poor & needy . If you value the NHS and the future of state education Labour is the only choice.
Cameron promised everything to everyone to get elected May will promise nothing and claim a mandate for everything.
It will be shameful and cowardly if she does not agree to TV debates, Is she too important to stand before the people and be questioned?

  

Reality check Labour haven't been the party of the working class for a very long time, they relinquished that title the day Blair and Mandelson opened the floodgates to every Tom male private and Muhammad ensuring the suppression of wages.

As for schools ( not counting Islamic) and the NHS Labour have failed miserably just look at the Welsh Labour run NHS.

I'd have to agree I think she should be taking part in a to debate, she's not the best speaker but always kicks Corbyrn scrawny are at question time so shouldn't be a problem.

Paul Nuttal would win the debate anyway it's just a shame his part are in turmoil, he should lead with the true party of the working class.