General election

Pete, I would stop digging if I were you mate. You keep saying no trade deal will mean no German cars sold, then when someone points out that's not correct you say you didn't say that. Then say it again!

Deja vu. 🤔

Thanks for the reminder LH. They're showing Unspun which I missed because of Combat Dealers.

I dont profess to be an expert of politics or even close but in essence i have the long held view on the two major parties;

Labour will normally increase taxes so that they can provide a higher level of state controlled services whereby the Tories will try and lower taxes to give you more money in your pocket to make your own choices about what you pay for, be it health care or whatever.

You pays your money and make your choice.

I also am of the view that the Tory election campaign has been a disaster. They havent said much at all other than the slogan of strong and stable.

On the other hand Labour have promised all things to all men. To my mind they couldnt possibly deliver on  many of them.

I believe that the primary issue IS brexit because if we dont get that right then there will be no money for any improvements in other areas.

I am sure those with more knowledge than i will be able to dissect my views but as very much a lay person this is the way i see it

So according to 91 we do not need a trade agreement to buy German cars , so I think May should stay at home and not bother trying to get one,

I don't think I am wrong if no deal is made then tariffs will be put on any deal so as I have said several times a tax will be put on the cars and the Germans will sell less,

The only thing 91 has said differently to me is the Germans will decide if they want to add the tax or take the hit themselves,

As for calling him a lefty anybody that supports Corbyn must be a bit left wing don't you think.

Anyway if he gets in enjoy the moment because you will pay for it later.

My final word on the subject,

You do not get anything in life for free,

So free uni, free nursery, free meals, free social care free this free that,

Somebody has to pay.

Pete, ask yourself a question. Could we buy German cars before we became a member of the EU?

Also, yes you are correct that someone has to pay for everything and that is what taxes are for. The difference between the parties is the distribution of wealth, pure and simple. The top 1% of the population now hold more of the wealth than at any time in history. We are the 5th richest nation on earth and there is enough money to pay for everything if we have the will to do so. The Tories don't and never will.

Quoted from grimsby pete

So according to 91 we do not need a trade agreement to buy German cars , so I think May should stay at home and not bother trying to get one,

I don't think I am wrong if no deal is made then tariffs will be put on any deal so as I have said several times a tax will be put on the cars and the Germans will sell less,

The only thing 91 has said differently to me is the Germans will decide if they want to add the tax or take the hit themselves,

As for calling him a lefty anybody that supports Corbyn must be a bit left wing don't you think.

Anyway if he gets in enjoy the moment because you will pay for it later.

That's not even an opinion, it is a fact that we don't need a trade agreement to buy them. It would make it cheaper and easier for everyone involved but trade would continue if we don't get an agreement, albeit likely at a lower level. I think you're extremely confused and don't fully understand any of the problems, you're even contradicting yourself in the same post?! You've said in one sentence that a trade agreement is needed to buy the cars at all.  Then in the very next sentence you've said that without one tariffs would be put on to the price so the Germans would sell less. Well which is it? It can't be both!

As I've pointed out previously, the percentage of exports from here to the EU far outstrips their percentage of exports to us so we need a deal more than they need one. If you can't see that and truly believe that no agreement would mean no trade at all then I give up. If that were true, we'd be screwed because we'd instantly lose 13% of our GDP. Yes we are the third biggest destination for German exports but as previously explained although you fail to either notice or acknowledge it, there are other factors that are far more important to them than trade with us. Don't believe me? Here's the evidence: http://uk.businessinsider.com/.....2016-7?r=US&IR=T

My derision at you calling me a lefty was the fact that you have previously called yourself  a "lifelong labour man" so it's all a bit pot and kettle don't you think?

If the Tories get in, enjoy knowing you've made your grandchildren's lives much more difficult and that they will live with the consequences of a severely under-invested infrastructure. They will pay for it later.

Quoted from ginnywings

Pete, ask yourself a question. Could we buy German cars before we became a member of the EU?

Also, yes you are correct that someone has to pay for everything and that is what taxes are for. The difference between the parties is the distribution of wealth, pure and simple. The top 1% of the population now hold more of the wealth than at any time in history. We are the 5th richest nation on earth and there is enough money to pay for everything if we have the will to do so. The Tories don't and never will.

My point Ginny was if we got no deal we would not be able to buy their cars without a heavy tax put on them,

In my old age I do not explain myself very well,

BUT

I do know this mate,

Corbyn, Abbott and Macdonald will ruin this country if they got in,

If you keep hitting the company's and so called higher earners with more and more tax they will go elsewhere,

We will be back to high inflation and that is no good to nobody,

I did say on my last post that was my final word on the subject but I have replied to you because I respect your views.

I might be showing early  signs of losing my marbles and if that is the case I will see no problem in having to pay towards my care,

Unlike some on here who want everything for free.

Fair enough Pete. I think you are wrong about the Labour party but hey, it's a democracy and everyone has a different opinion.