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Not if we do not have a trade deal that's why we will get one,

The other option could be the German firms build their cars in our country,

Creating thousands of jobs  


They already do. They own Mini (BMW). Next time there's an investment decision needed at Cowley, don't be surprised if it ends in money being spent in another country.


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May needs to be honest and admit no deal means she has failed completely,  we could have been leaders in Europe and shaped the future but since the Euro and our decision not to join we have become more and more peripheral. A deal somewhere along the lines of Norway where we're get our fishing waters back and pay fr use of the single market would be my option , I voted out but no deal would be a complete disaster
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Actually, not joining the Euro was an excellent decision. You can't have a joint currency without a joint fiscal base because, as we've seen, monetary policy is being run for the benefit of the Northern European countries to the detriment of the Southern European PIIGS countries.

A unified currency makes sense if you're a federation of states like the US and have transfers between the states where required - many of the poorer US states who all stupidly vote Republican are funded by the wealthier Democratic states yet still spend all their time railing against their federal government! Fricking idiots.
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They already do. They own Mini (BMW). Next time there's an investment decision needed at Cowley, don't be surprised if it ends in money being spent in another country.


Business is Business  and car a company are not ruled by their governments,

If they want to continue to sell 100,000 + cars to the UK  they will find a way round a  non trade deal,

They will invest in the UK and build their VW, AUDI, MERCEDES ,BMW ect here because unlike the EU they want to make money from us not punish us,

I wish all the doom mongers would look at the bigger picture,

If you were chairman of one of those  car manufactures , what would you do just sit on your hands and lose millions of Euro's of profit ?

Of course you wouldn't and if they put a 10% tax on us to get a deal how many brits would buy a different car,

Think about it.


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They will invest in the UK and build their VW, AUDI, MERCEDES ,BMW ect here because unlike the EU they want to make money from us not punish us,



Erm, why would the German manufacturers suddenly begin to build cars outside of Germany when their factories, workforce and suppliers are there already? That's an utterly bonkers theory, I'm afraid! VW own Seat which builds cars in Spain, Skoda, which builds cars in Czechia, Lamborghini which builds cars in Italy, Bugatti which builds cars in France and their only UK interest is Bentley whose output is miniscule in comparison to the mass market producers. It would take some hefty government 'assistance' for any major manufacturer to take the plunge and begin building in the UK, especially after Brexit. Nope - not going to happen. I'd imagine that all of the Japanese manufacturers who have factories here will get plenty of government 'assistance' to ensure they stay, but keeping existing factories open is a rather different proposition to actually building new ones.

I personally reckon that Mini will remain based in the UK as it is considered a 'British' brand but it wouldn't surprise me to see them begin to produce more vehicles in Europe. Regardless, we can expect UK prices of Minis to rise following Brexit as the Europe-sourced parts become more expensive, whether due to tarriffs, depreciation in the pound or both.
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There are so many reasons to go absolutely no way near the Labour Party this election. Briefly, it is clear that May is the right candidate for the EU negotiations. She is the only candidate that believes in a Brexit that was voted for, and has the ministerial experience and plan to see it through. Anything other would seriously harm our chances of a good deal, remember 'No deal is better than a Bad Deal.' Good position for a negotiation.  

Now for the unelectable Labour Party. I cannot remember the person who said this quote, but I think it holds true, "Socialism provides safety in numbers. And that’s OK, if you don’t mind trading your name—your identity and individualism — for a number.”. And that is one of the main problems with the Labour Party and its leaders. They are totally anti-British and inept. When the Labour Party won in 1945 they were driveling in the prospect of creating a 'true' socialist Britain. What did they find out? This was impossible because Britain is capitalist nation, built on individualism and liberty. Some socialism such as the NHS and the Welfare State made this nation what it is. Before I look more into why labour is poor, let's look at the track record of socialism:

Venezuela is a full-on Socialist country, developed by Hugo Chavez's handpicked successor whom now presides over a country with food lines and soaring inflation, all directly attributable to the pursuit of a socialist paradise where a benevolent and enlightened government redistributes wealth from the greedy few to the entitled many. It ... does ... not ... work. Venezuela is the largest exporter of oil and has the largest reserves of oil in the world, therefore Venezuela should be a thriving South American nation? Socialism and Maduros fiscal policies is largely what has caused the major crisis in Venezuela right now, and goes to show that a Labour attempting to implement full-on socialism would not be economically sound.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQb7Y5QVO8

What is striking about this Labour party is that it is so far left: John McDonnell would become the Chancellor of the Exchequer, quite worrying when he has affiliation with Marxist-Communist.

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Human rights my bottom, imagine for a second Boris Johnson conducting a rally under a Nazi Swastika, and Hitler? So why no outrage now, Communism killed millions upon millions. Dianna Abbot is also on record for not denouncing support for the IRA, and for defending Mao's death toll. Not mentioning her failure to define the figures, a pattern of this Labour Party. Not a good mix for government.

Then for Corbyn: This article is quite articulate. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/shouldnt-vote-jeremy-corbyn/

Against peace in Ireland

During the 1980s and 1990s, Jeremy Corbyn supported the IRA and opposed the Northern Ireland peace process: By voting against the peace process and the Anglo-Irish Agreement in Parliament, as he believed republican nationalists shouldn’t have to compromise (the evidence is http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015.....nd-is-total-fantasy/ and https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/.....support-for-the-ira/).

If Corbyn wanted to support a unified Ireland through peaceful means he could have supported the SDLP (Northern Ireland’s Social Democratic and Labour Party), which wanted to unify Ireland through a democratic process. Instead, Corbyn attended ‘Troops Out’ rallies where the SDLP were denounced as sell-outs. In 2015, on BBC Radio Ulster, Corbyn refused five times to specifically condemn IRA violence and terrorism. He hung up rather than answer the question.

"Jeremy Corbyn has been paid £20,000 to appear five times on the totalitarian Iranian regime’s propaganda channel, which was banned in the UK for its role in filming the tortured forced-confession of Iranian liberal journalist Maziar Bahari. By hosting interviews, Corbyn gives the propaganda the ‘credibility’ of a Western politician. It’s fascinating to hear Iranian democracy campaigner Maziar Bahari’s own thoughts on Corbyn, who he describes as ‘a useful idiot’, and goes on to say:

    People who present programmes for Press TV and get paid for it should be really ashamed of themselves — especially if they call themselves liberals and people who are interested in human rights.

The Iranian regime executes gay people, democracy activists, Kurds, and orders the rape of female prisoners. But Corbyn is happy to take their money and aid their propaganda campaign. Watch the end of this clip as Jeremy hosts a caller who describes the BBC as having hosted ‘Zionist liars’." Nick Cohan.

Against self-determination

Corbyn suggested that the Falkland Islands should be shared with Argentina, ignoring a referendum in which 99.8 per cent of the islanders voted to remain British.

If Terrorism in the West was a causation of our foreign policy (which I think accounts far less than the left thinks), then why did Terrorism happen in Sweden? In Germany? Countries with a non-interventionist foreign policy. And again, Terrorism is Terrorism and should never have someone like Corbyn apologizing and the British Forces were not ordered to take out civilians.  

This Labour Parties manifesto is not based on reality. More open borders-mass immigration and higher taxation is not a recipe for success, this would effectively make the job-making private sector jump ship. Have we not learned what a borrowing, taxing Labour Government did in the past? Also I do think Trident is needed at it keeps us a position in the UNSC and an a power in the world. Do we want someone that has a history of defending the IRA, and non-state actors against the British government, to dictate our national defense when in a time it is more needed than ever?  

By no stretch am I a Tory partizan hack. I despite what the Tories want to do with the Internet, Fox hunting etc, I just think May is the best of a bad bunch. At least with May we have a chance of a politician that will look to Brits first like she has said with the Brexit vote. Perhaps this will start a trend of policies that aims to not out-source jobs like with BA, and focus on building jobs. This starts with controlled immigration and a good negotiation with the EU, something Labour cannot possibly do.


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There are so many reasons to go absolutely no way near the Labour Party this election. Briefly, it is clear that May is the right candidate for the EU negotiations. She is the only candidate that believes in a Brexit that was voted for, and has the ministerial experience and plan to see it through. Anything other would seriously harm our chances of a good deal, remember 'No deal is better than a Bad Deal.' Good position for a negotiation.  

Now for the unelectable Labour Party. I cannot remember the person who said this quote, but I think it holds true, "Socialism provides safety in numbers. And that’s OK, if you don’t mind trading your name—your identity and individualism — for a number.”. And that is one of the main problems with the Labour Party and its leaders. They are totally anti-British and inept. When the Labour Party won in 1945 they were driveling in the prospect of creating a 'true' socialist Britain. What did they find out? This was impossible because Britain is capitalist nation, built on individualism and liberty. Some socialism such as the NHS and the Welfare State made this nation what it is. Before I look more into why labour is poor, let's look at the track record of socialism:

Venezuela is a full-on Socialist country, developed by Hugo Chavez's handpicked successor whom now presides over a country with food lines and soaring inflation, all directly attributable to the pursuit of a socialist paradise where a benevolent and enlightened government redistributes wealth from the greedy few to the entitled many. It ... does ... not ... work. Venezuela is the largest exporter of oil and has the largest reserves of oil in the world, therefore Venezuela should be a thriving South American nation? Socialism and Maduros fiscal policies is largely what has caused the major crisis in Venezuela right now, and goes to show that a Labour attempting to implement full-on socialism would not be economically sound.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQb7Y5QVO8

What is striking about this Labour party is that it is so far left: John McDonnell would become the Chancellor of the Exchequer, quite worrying when he has affiliation with Marxist-Communist.

[url=https://ibb.co/fJXCAv][img]https://thumb.ibb.co/fJXCAv/johndon1.jpg[/img][/url]

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Human rights my bottom, imagine for a second Boris Johnson conducting a rally under a Nazi Swastika, and Hitler? So why no outrage now, Communism killed millions upon millions. Dianna Abbot is also on record for not denouncing support for the IRA, and for defending Mao's death toll. Not mentioning her failure to define the figures, a pattern of this Labour Party. Not a good mix for government.

Then for Corbyn: This article is quite articulate. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/shouldnt-vote-jeremy-corbyn/

Against peace in Ireland

During the 1980s and 1990s, Jeremy Corbyn supported the IRA and opposed the Northern Ireland peace process: By voting against the peace process and the Anglo-Irish Agreement in Parliament, as he believed republican nationalists shouldn’t have to compromise (the evidence is http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015.....nd-is-total-fantasy/ and https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/.....support-for-the-ira/).

If Corbyn wanted to support a unified Ireland through peaceful means he could have supported the SDLP (Northern Ireland’s Social Democratic and Labour Party), which wanted to unify Ireland through a democratic process. Instead, Corbyn attended ‘Troops Out’ rallies where the SDLP were denounced as sell-outs. In 2015, on BBC Radio Ulster, Corbyn refused five times to specifically condemn IRA violence and terrorism. He hung up rather than answer the question.

"Jeremy Corbyn has been paid £20,000 to appear five times on the totalitarian Iranian regime’s propaganda channel, which was banned in the UK for its role in filming the tortured forced-confession of Iranian liberal journalist Maziar Bahari. By hosting interviews, Corbyn gives the propaganda the ‘credibility’ of a Western politician. It’s fascinating to hear Iranian democracy campaigner Maziar Bahari’s own thoughts on Corbyn, who he describes as ‘a useful idiot’, and goes on to say:

    People who present programmes for Press TV and get paid for it should be really ashamed of themselves — especially if they call themselves liberals and people who are interested in human rights.

The Iranian regime executes gay people, democracy activists, Kurds, and orders the rape of female prisoners. But Corbyn is happy to take their money and aid their propaganda campaign. Watch the end of this clip as Jeremy hosts a caller who describes the BBC as having hosted ‘Zionist liars’." Nick Cohan.

Against self-determination

Corbyn suggested that the Falkland Islands should be shared with Argentina, ignoring a referendum in which 99.8 per cent of the islanders voted to remain British.

If Terrorism in the West was a causation of our foreign policy (which I think accounts far less than the left thinks), then why did Terrorism happen in Sweden? In Germany? Countries with a non-interventionist foreign policy. And again, Terrorism is Terrorism and should never have someone like Corbyn apologizing and the British Forces were not ordered to take out civilians.  

This Labour Parties manifesto is not based on reality. More open borders-mass immigration and higher taxation is not a recipe for success, this would effectively make the job-making private sector jump ship. Have we not learned what a borrowing, taxing Labour Government did in the past? Also I do think Trident is needed at it keeps us a position in the UNSC and an a power in the world. Do we want someone that has a history of defending the IRA, and non-state actors against the British government, to dictate our national defense when in a time it is more needed than ever?  

By no stretch am I a Tory partizan hack. I despite what the Tories want to do with the Internet, Fox hunting etc, I just think May is the best of a bad bunch. At least with May we have a chance of a politician that will look to Brits first like she has said with the Brexit vote. Perhaps this will start a trend of policies that aims to not out-source jobs like with BA, and focus on building jobs. This starts with controlled immigration and a good negotiation with the EU, something Labour cannot possibly do.


Why doesn't she debate Corbyn then? And put these points across. This election is about morales in my opinion, I may lose a couple of quid but if it means the weak and vulnerable are more safe and we are more safe as a country due to our NHS and security forces being improve under Labour then so be it. If May can't debate Corbyn on TV then how can we trust her to debate behind closed doors. What evidence in the Labour Manifesto is there that Mass immigration will return? The torys are the ones who broke their promise on immigration. We have one of the lowest tax rates in Europe and even with a rise in tax then it will still be one of the lowest. He made the point the other night that leadership is about listening and I believe that he will do what the supporters of the Labour Party want and not what the Blairites in the party want.
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What evidence in the Labour Manifesto is there that Mass immigration will return? .


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....thousands-unskilled/


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Another right wing newspaper. I'd understand if it was official from the actually labour manifesto but it isn't. The telegraph , the sun and the daily mail are all owned by rich businessmen who don't want to be damaged by higher taxes. I say fair play to them for brainwashing the British public because it certainly works. Where are these secret plans then? I could say I have secret plans of the cuts which the Torys are going to make to public services to win over votes but it doesn't mean I have any.
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Its called bluff mate, if you go trying to get a good deal but let them know you will walk if you can not agree you are more likely to get a good deal,

If we did walk what would Germany do if we did not buy any of their cars ?

We will get a good deal but it will be a good deal for all parties the EU  want a deal as much as we do,

Too many doom mongers on here.



I've just come back from Germany and as you might expect the German press and other media see things in a totally different way to the way we see them here. I don't think anyone there believes that trade will not continue but there is a sizeable voice saying that the cost of any tariffs is a price worth paying to maintain the status quo.


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