General election

We were irrelevant to them until we started invading/bombing various countries across the Islamic world. That's what started this whole shitestorm in the first place.

The biggest funder of Islamist terrorism in the world, by a country mile, is Saudi Arabia who are paradoxically considered to be the West's strongest allies in the region! In actuality, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra etc etc are all funded by Saudi groups who have been exporting their medieval Wahhabi cult around the world unchecked for decades. Rather than attempt to deal with the source of the problem, we prefer to kiss the Monarchy's backsides so we can sell them the weapons with which they are currently bombing civilians in Yemen. In exchange for their lovely black gold, of course.

I'm not an apologist for these Islamist nutjobs but you can see how easily they can use their propaganda to recruit malleable westerners when so many Islamic countries are war-torn basketcases in great part due to our interference in their affairs over decades.

Ideally, we need to leave the Middle East alone, stop selling them weapons, stop using their countries in proxy disputes with Russia and, most importantly, develop our own energy sources so we're not reliant on their oil. This would be a good start at the very least, though I fear the cat is out of the bag now and we would continue to be blamed for whatever occurs as these areas attempt to sort themselves out.

Quoted from chrissy

It is only  a Conservative government  that will clamp down on the terrorist,

Labour under Corbyn will only want to talk to them.

They are selling weapons which are finding their way to Saudi sponsored terror groups. If I was serious about clamping down I'd stop it. Just saying like...

Quoted from Maringer

We were irrelevant to them until we started invading/bombing various countries across the Islamic world. That's what started this whole shitestorm in the first place.

The biggest funder of Islamist terrorism in the world, by a country mile, is Saudi Arabia who are paradoxically considered to be the West's strongest allies in the region! In actuality, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra etc etc are all funded by Saudi groups who have been exporting their medieval Wahhabi cult around the world unchecked for decades. Rather than attempt to deal with the source of the problem, we prefer to kiss the Monarchy's backsides so we can sell them the weapons with which they are currently bombing civilians in Yemen. In exchange for their lovely black gold, of course.

I'm not an apologist for these Islamist nutjobs but you can see how easily they can use their propaganda to recruit malleable westerners when so many Islamic countries are war-torn basketcases in great part due to our interference in their affairs over decades.

Ideally, we need to leave the Middle East alone, stop selling them weapons, stop using their countries in proxy disputes with Russia and, most importantly, develop our own energy sources so we're not reliant on their oil. This would be a good start at the very least, though I fear the cat is out of the bag now and we would continue to be blamed for whatever occurs as these areas attempt to sort themselves out.

We were irrelevant to them until we started invading/bombing various countries across the Islamic world. That's what started this whole shitestorm in the first place.

I don't think we were invading/bombing Islamic countries pre-  9/11 the official reason for the attack was they wanted to punish the USA for supporting Israel's oppression of Palestine and for what they claimed was the USA occupation of Saudis Arabia, unfortunately the false narrative you peddle gets banded about by the Muslim apologists as some sort of sick justification every time we get attacked.

Absolutely agree with everything else you have to say successive Goverments in bed with the Arabs continue to show that money is more much more important than British lives.

Quoted from Grim74

We were irrelevant to them until we started invading/bombing various countries across the Islamic world. That's what started this whole shitestorm in the first place.

I don't think we were invading/bombing Islamic countries pre-  9/11 the official reason for the attack was they wanted to punish the USA for supporting Israel's oppression of Palestine and for what they claimed was the USA occupation of Saudis Arabia, unfortunately the false narrative you peddle gets banded about by the Muslim apologists as some sort of sick justification every time we get attacked.

Absolutely agree with everything else you have to say successive Goverments in bed with the Arabs continue to show that money is more much more important than British lives.

Possibly one of the few times I will agree with grim and say that your are talking out of your Arfse .maringer. Daesh show hates us, they hate Shia, they hate Jews, yazidi, Hindus, Sikhs , Zoroastrian anyone who isn't Wahhabis Sunni
Everyone talks about Islamic extremism, but it's not.its Saudi led Sunni extremism. Let's be clear about this, they'd kill a Shia before they killed a Christian. I'm increasingly beginning to think that we/Europe would be far better off siding with the Shia, instead of cuddling up to the Sunnis who we have absolutely nothing in common with. As far as I can see/ read/tell we have far more chance of co operating , understanding and co existing with the Shia than we ever do with the Sunni. The Iranians, for all their faults, are basically a cultured, educated, business like, trading/merchant nation with whom you can do business. The Saudis have oil and that is it. Couple of final points. Who was the last Shia terrorist to inflict damage on the uk? Secondly Corbin going on about the middle eat incursions isn't going to win any votes.he may have a point but hundreds of our soldiers died or where maimed out there and people aren't going to listen to his logic or nuanced arguments. Final point I wonder if labour missed a trick by allowing andy burn ham to be sidelined into the Manchester mayoral post.has been mightily impressive over these last few days and IMHO has put Corbin tomshame

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Possibly one of the few times I will agree with grim and say that your are talking out of your Arfse .maringer. Daesh show hates us, they hate Shia, they hate Jews, yazidi, Hindus, Sikhs , Zoroastrian anyone who isn't Wahhabis Sunni
Everyone talks about Islamic extremism, but it's not.its Saudi led Sunni extremism. Let's be clear about this, they'd kill a Shia before they killed a Christian. I'm increasingly beginning to think that we/Europe would be far better off siding with the Shia, instead of cuddling up to the Sunnis who we have absolutely nothing in common with. As far as I can see/ read/tell we have far more chance of co operating , understanding and co existing with the Shia than we ever do with the Sunni. The Iranians, for all their faults, are basically a cultured, educated, business like, trading/merchant nation with whom you can do business. The Saudis have oil and that is it. Couple of final points. Who was the last Shia terrorist to inflict damage on the uk? Secondly Corbin going on about the middle eat incursions isn't going to win any votes.he may have a point but hundreds of our soldiers died or where maimed out there and people aren't going to listen to his logic or nuanced arguments. Final point I wonder if labour missed a trick by allowing andy burn ham to be sidelined into the Manchester mayoral post.has been mightily impressive over these last few days and IMHO has put Corbin tomshame

Corbyn is right on this, getting mixed up in a unwinnable war in Afghanistan and even worse the humiliation in Iraq was madness, the fact that hundreds of brave troops lost their lives and thousands have been maimed for life does not alter that.  Not content with at we're have caused chaos in
Libya with half arsed attempt s to back the Arab spring, Egypt had a election then a coup, Turkey is moving further from the west and Syria is in complete meltdown.  We have attacked or fomented uprisings in these countries with no plan ad to what we want the outcome to look like.  Trump is quite happy to boast about 100billion arms deals with Saudi's, and May was there selling them more arms a few months back.  Nearly everyone agrees the Saudis are the biggest funders and suppliers of terror groups in the region but making money is king.
The Tories have cut 20 000 police officers, cut border guards as well as reducing the size of the armed forces by 25000 since 2010 to save money, perhaps they should have spent some of the enormous amount of the money these wars cost on some of these instead

If labour were to stick to your last paragraph, then they have a chance. However his nuanced arguments over our Middle East policy is just not going to be a vote winner in these circumstances. He may be right, but to the general population he comes across as defeatist , mealy mouthed, an apologist and almost anti British .obviously this is fuelled by the media, but they have plenty of ammo with his stances over the years. Add to that some of his acolytes who hardly help.what was it the other day? A woman on the national executive saying we shouldn't be fighting Daesh , we should be having a cup of tea with them? Ffs

Corbyn wins on points tonight, tragic really that a week on Friday May will have her tea at the table in number 10.

Quoted from LH

Corbyn wins on points tonight, tragic really that a week on Friday May will have her tea at the table in number 10.

Then loses all his brownie points this morning,

On the radio announcing a new policy but could not say how much it would cost,

Typical Corbyn one step forward two steps back.

Diane abbott's latest interview with Andrew marr is probably another nail in labour's coffin to be honest.

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Diane abbott's latest interview with Andrew marr is probably another nail in labour's coffin to be honest.

The performance of Fallon, Johnson, Hammond and co. during this campaign must have caused a shortage of nails.