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londonmariner2
January 16, 2017, 11:44am
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'If you want entertainment go and watch a bunch of clowns.'
Alan Durban Stoke Manager 1980s

How to play football by Bill shankly

1. A football team is like a piano. You need eight men to carry it and three who can play the damn thing.

2. Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.

3. The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don’t know the game.

4. If you’ve got three Scots in your side, you’ve got a chance of winning something. If you’ve got any more, you’re in trouble.

5. If a player is not interfering with play or seeking to gain an advantage, then he should be.

6. At a football club, there’s a holy trinity: the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
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'If you want entertainment go and watch a bunch of clowns.'
Alan Durban Stoke Manager 1980s

How to play football by Bill shankly

1. A football team is like a piano. You need eight men to carry it and three who can play the damn thing.

2. Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.

3. The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don’t know the game.

4. If you’ve got three Scots in your side, you’ve got a chance of winning something. If you’ve got any more, you’re in trouble.

5. If a player is not interfering with play or seeking to gain an advantage, then he should be.

6. At a football club, there’s a holy trinity: the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.


NUMBER 2 - The answer to why we were 2nd best on Saturday !

At league level every footballer should be able to trap a ball, control it in only a couple of movements and be able to pass the ball at correct weight, preferably in front of the receiving player to run onto, rather than stop to receive and not facing their own goal all of the time.
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Enough is enough!! I can't help myself any longer! Week after week I go watch town, waiting to be entertained. One game this season I have had this fulfilled (Stevenage). Other than that it's been absolutely appalling. Week in week out of non entertainment. The manager can talk the good game but for sure we can not deliver!! There's only so much people can take until the crowds will dwindle. Today's performance was up there with one of the worst, not one proper chance and certainly no prolonged pressure of any kind. The formation and tactics just don't work, especially at home where we supposed to be the team that force the game to the opposition. I like any town fan want the team and manager to do well but I also pay good money to be entertained!!! That I am definitely not being!!! And at the end of the day that is what we supposed to be!!!


Did you listen to MB's post match interview? A lot can be deduced from it IMO. We know he wants to play fast attacking positive football, and let's be honest the fans crave this as it's ingrained in our blood as GTFC supporters. However he made the point that the current crop are not as technically blessed as some of our league 2 counterparts. He said he could easily turn this team into a long ball team and go more direct, but that's not his style. This crop is in the mould of a PH team. His style was certainly not conducive to fast free flowing football. I honestly have faith in this manager and I believe the entertaining football will come, but if you do not have the technical attributes to play that style then how can you implement it straight away. This is his inherited team, and given time he will get the right calibre into the club for sure. Just stop flipping moaning and expecting the world when we're not quite good enough just yet. We're mid table in our first season back in the FL. That itself is a positive foundation to build upon.  
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January 16, 2017, 1:40pm

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Did you listen to MB's post match interview? A lot can be deduced from it IMO. We know he wants to play fast attacking positive football, and let's be honest the fans crave this as it's ingrained in our blood as GTFC supporters. However he made the point that the current crop are not as technically blessed as some of our league 2 counterparts. He said he could easily turn this team into a long ball team and go more direct, but that's not his style. This crop is in the mould of a PH team. His style was certainly not conducive to fast free flowing football. I honestly have faith in this manager and I believe the entertaining football will come, but if you do not have the technical attributes to play that style then how can you implement it straight away. This is his inherited team, and given time he will get the right calibre into the club for sure. Just stop flipping moaning and expecting the world when we're not quite good enough just yet. We're mid table in our first season back in the FL. That itself is a positive foundation to build upon.  


I think what Marcus has said is spot on and actually vindicates PHs style in that PH could only get the team to be effective playing in a certain way as the players at the club had/have limited ability & skill.  
What it does feel like though is that we are trying to do things without the required personnel at the risk of losing games as well as winning some which we have done and notably against Plymouth & Carlisle. Some fans are happy with this strategy some are not.
Personally I am o.k. with it but would like to see those wins happen at BP...........Oh and at Stevenage n the 28th then I can walk round the local Asda with my Town shirt on and not get any smart bottom comments from the local numpties..


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I agree totally, maybe the manager should adapt his tactics to suit the group. My point I guess was the response to the OP who wanted entertaining football right away when we're not in a position to do this (yet)
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Did you listen to MB's post match interview? A lot can be deduced from it IMO. We know he wants to play fast attacking positive football, and let's be honest the fans crave this as it's ingrained in our blood as GTFC supporters. However he made the point that the current crop are not as technically blessed as some of our league 2 counterparts. He said he could easily turn this team into a long ball team and go more direct, but that's not his style. This crop is in the mould of a PH team. His style was certainly not conducive to fast free flowing football. I honestly have faith in this manager and I believe the entertaining football will come, but if you do not have the technical attributes to play that style then how can you implement it straight away. This is his inherited team, and given time he will get the right calibre into the club for sure. Just stop flipping moaning and expecting the world when we're not quite good enough just yet. We're mid table in our first season back in the FL. That itself is a positive foundation to build upon.  


I think that is a little unfair to Hurst, he consistently built teams that were organised and scored a decent amount of goals. We started this season pretty well and he left us in a decent position. I think people are right to say he was cautious but his teams always knew their positions and generally had a go at home.
I am certainly not of the thinking that these players cannot play football, I would suggest its more about organisation and getting the best from them. Its harder to chop and change now players cant be loaned outside the window, It means that managers have to get the best out of what they have got. On Saturday there was a distinct lack of method to the play, we did tend to just roll it between the back 3 and then lump it aimlessly. The players look unsure of where they should be and that is worrying. I would like to think that Bignot can improve us and he needs to be given time to see if he can do this, but I am less than convinced from what I have seen and heard that he will. All that said it is difficult to be a success in football management and most managers fail at the job they are given.
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But if Marcus knows he hasn't got the players capable of playing to that formation, then why do it ?  He has stated that in his opinion they are not gifted enough to play the style he wants them to. So play them to the style they can play (even if you don't like that style), get rid when you can, and when you do have the players capable of playing the way you want that's fine. I'll be happy enough as long as we don't go down, but don't ask the players to do something they are not capable of and then bad mouth them when they can't do it.  


The wife was going away for a girly weekend.
I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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I listened to MBs interview Saturday and I can understand that he wants to play in a certain way. But like he said these players in his opinion are not technically correct for them to play it. So like previous posters have said, why not play it differently until he can get the players he requires to do so? Wether these technically gifted players are going to come from Solihull, Gateshead and Biggleswade is another question. Given time I think Marcus can do a good job but playing six defenders in a team just so they can play his preferred system seems bizarre. Anyway here's hoping for a better performance on Saturday and at Stevenage the week after!! I'll be there at both, hopefully entertained UTM
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Looking at it from another angle. Maybe he's sussing out who can play the way he wants and ship out who can't. With 36 points in the bag, he may feel he's got that leeway to gamble for a few games for longer term gains..
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Looking at it from another angle. Maybe he's sussing out who can play the way he wants and ship out who can't. With 36 points in the bag, he may feel he's got that leeway to gamble for a few games for longer term gains..


I am 100% sure this is the case and we have to trust his judgement, he does need to ensure though whilst at BP that we still get a few shots on target in the process otherwise those that don't understand what he is doing might stop tuning up.  


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