Marcus frustrated by his old club

Looks like Solihull have annoyed Marcus

http://m.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/bignot-furious-over-player-talks/story-30046296-detail/story.html

He defended them to the hilt and refused to talk about the transfers when asked by JT after match on Saturday

hmmmm....not sure i like whining....if the deal cant be done then move on, only makes us look un-professional in the end. Solihull dont have to sell, they have a contracted player so they hold the cards, its their decision on the best development of their player and its their business decision whether they sell him now or lose out if he walks for free in the summer....same as ours is with Omar...if we dont want to sell him then we wont.

I supposed we would have done the same as Sollihull if Hurst had come sniffing around our players. There's two sides to every story and in this case we can all see both of them quite clearly can't we?

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I supposed we would have done the same as Sollihull if Hurst had come sniffing around our players. There's two sides to every story and in this case we can all see both of them quite clearly can't we?

Of course we can,  but we should only pay what we think the going rate for a player is, lets just leave the bid there and look for other options in the meantime.
Plenty of time before the window shuts, you only get mugged if you are desperate and we are not

These could easily go quiet for ages and then on the last day or two, Solihull panic and think £80k for the pair is better than nothing in the summer.

That is very good management. The players know who's in charge, that he'll look after them, and the selling club will realise he's not messing about. I really like the man.

It's fine really if the player really wants to come here and make a step up they will become frustrated and let their club know about it, unhappy players tend to make things difficult for morale. They are just probably holding out as long as they can for the best deal but nobody wants to hold on to a player then end up getting nothing for them.

Quoted from moosey_club

hmmmm....not sure i like whining....if the deal cant be done then move on, only makes us look un-professional in the end. Solihull dont have to sell, they have a contracted player so they hold the cards, its their decision on the best development of their player and its their business decision whether they sell him now or lose out if he walks for free in the summer....same as ours is with Omar...if we dont want to sell him then we wont.

Agree with this if contracts and legality are the only factors. The missing element is the player's wishes. They are very difficult to keep if a dream move is in the offing..

I think we'll get the player. Give it time and MB's "whining" has only put the pressure more on Solihull. They're the ones dealing with the player in their faces wanting a move on an hour by hour or day to day basis.

Have we offered '80k for the pair' Mariners09?

Why is everyone getting so exercised about a 24 year old with half a season's experience in the Conference?

No it's just a figure plucked out of thin air.

Maybe because the majority of Solihull fans believe that he is the best player that they have ever had.  They think that he has all the skills needed to play in the Champioship.   Despite only having played half a season in the conference.

Quoted from Chris Packit

Why is everyone getting so exercised about a 24 year old with half a season's experience in the Conference?

Possibly because he'll be a better option than our current midfield?

Quoted from Chris Packit

Why is everyone getting so exercised about a 24 year old with half a season's experience in the Conference?

I could do with getting exercised.  

Quoted from Les Brechin

I could do with getting exercised.  

I don't know about exercised, I think you could do with getting EXORCISED

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Maybe because the majority of Solihull fans believe that he is the best player that they have ever had.  They think that he has all the skills needed to play in the Champioship.   Despite only having played half a season in the conference.

This is not aimed at the poster above but a general observation.

How do we know it's "the majority" or is it just the sado's who spend their time on football message boards? How does this "majority" know that he could play in the championship? are they talking about him playing for NUFC or us Millers?

Looking at some of the stuff on here in the last couple of weeks you would think we where chasing a tried and tested former international with a massive pedigree. A poster said at the weekend he would prefer Osborne to Vose? he had never seen Osborne play live apparently?  

Yes he may be "better then our current midfield" or is he just better then Berret & Summerfield? but how do we even know that in reality as he has never pulled on a Town shirt or played in the football league, for all most of us know he could be a massive flop or a massive success as many have only seen him on You Tube etc.. it's very hard to tell.

From what I can tell he looks really decent on the lap top and Marcus is confident that he can do a job which is no surprise as I think he signed him for SM but if he's not available for whatever reason let's not get too hung up about it.  

Quoted from HertsGTFC

This is not aimed at the poster above but a general observation.

How do we know it's "the majority" or is it just the sado's who spend their time on football message boards ? How does this "majority" know that he could play in the championship? are they talking about him playing for NUFC or us Millers?

Looking at some of the stuff on here in the last couple of weeks you would think we where chasing a tried and tested former international with a massive pedigree. A poster said at the weekend he would prefer Osborne to Vose? he had never seen Osborne play live apparently?  

Yes he may be "better then our current midfield" or is he just better then Berret & Summerfield? but how do we even know that in reality as he has never pulled on a Town shirt or played in the football league, for all most of us know he could be a massive flop or a massive success as many have only seen him on You Tube etc.. it's very hard to tell.

From what I can tell he looks really decent on the lap top and Marcus is confident that he can do a job which is no surprise as I think he signed him for SM but if he's not available for whatever reason let's not get too hung up about it.  

Guilty as charged.....  

Quoted from promotion plaice

Guilty as charged.....  

Same BTW

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Same BTW

Sniffed me out as well

Quoted from golfer

I don't know about exercised, I think you could do with getting EXORCISED

I could do with both really.  

I agree - he is Solihulls player and if we don't meet their, quite possibly over inflated, valuation they are within their rights to hold on to him. The risk for them is he gets injured, or loses form and they have missed out on money. And of course he leaves for nothing in the summer anyway. It's a calculated risk for them. Perhaps as the window closes they will come round but hey, by then perhaps MB will have identified somebody else and we won't want to buy him anyway.

Quoted from Chris Packit

Why is everyone getting so exercised about a 24 year old with half a season's experience in the Conference?

I find star jumps and Victorian lunges opens the airways, and really invigorates the mind (said in a really posh voice).

The whole point about negotiation is that you must demonstrate that you are prepared to walk away.
Its not a precise science, and sometimes you will miss out, but the fundamental is that you must be prepared to miss out if the seller is perusing brinkmanship.

Same theory applies to buying fish.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

The whole point about negotiation is that you must demonstrate that you are prepared to walk away.
Its not a precise science, and sometimes you will miss out, but the fundamental is that you must be prepared to miss out if the seller is perusing brinkmanship.

Same theory applies to buying fish.

True, I think Bignot's simply frustrated that the negotiations are floundering.








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All well and good Ilkley, except to say that the threat of walking away means nothing to Solihull. They couldn't care less if we did, so it has no leverage. They don't want to negotiate as they don't want to sell.

In this case, it's more about how much do we really want those players. If we can find others as good or better for the same money or less then no great loss. If they are important to us and MB is adamant he wants them, then we either put up or shut up. We can't play a game with Solihull. They hold the aces. It's not as if we're talking six figure sums here and they lose out on a great amount if the players walk away at the end of the season and they get no money. They've got this season to play for, to say nothing of other parties who might bid larger amounts

Same will apply to us with Bogle. We don't want to sell him. If Rotherham or anyone else demonstrate that they are prepared to walk away if we won't accept their bid - fine. See ya later. We don't want to sell the player anyway.

If we really want Osborne (and Asante) we should stop faffing about over 5's or 10's of thousands and get the deal done.

I feel that there is no need to air this obvious frustration because it is part and parcel of the game. If we have gone as far as we can, we are;

1) Not offered enough for it to be reasonable, and bidding on the cheap.

or

2) We have offered a fair deal and they want more. No room for manoeuvre on either side, a deadlock, so no need for any comments.

If we are at scenario 2), then we need to put a time limit on the deal and say no more. There are other and better players out there. This could be a good thing for both clubs as we could pass players to them for loans or other deals that benefit us both.

Quoted from chaos33

All well and good Ilkley, except to say that the threat of walking away means nothing to Solihull. They couldn't care less if we did, so it has no leverage. They don't want to negotiate as they don't want to sell.

In this case, it's more about how much do we really want those players. If we can find others as good or better for the same money or less then no great loss. If they are important to us and MB is adamant he wants them, then we either put up or shut up. We can't play a game with Solihull. They hold the aces. It's not as if we're talking six figure sums here and they lose out on a great amount if the players walk away at the end of the season and they get no money. They've got this season to play for, to say nothing of other parties who might bid larger amounts

Same will apply to us with Bogle. We don't want to sell him. If Rotherham or anyone else demonstrate that they are prepared to walk away if we won't accept their bid - fine. See ya later. We don't want to sell the player anyway.

If we really want Osborne (and Asante) we should stop faffing about over 5's or 10's of thousands and get the deal done.

This is my thinking to a certain point. If their valuations are completely ridiculous then walk away. And sadly looking at their message board where some of them seem to have links to the board room, they're a deluded bunch.  But if it's a case of holding back on 10-20K or so then why not trust in Bignot's judgement if the players are going to make a difference?

I find all of this quite entertaining to be honest, all I can say is look what happens when you have the means to pay a fee   

Possible scenario 3 -

Solihull - "we sell our players to you when you sell Bogle and give us our sell on cash??"

Or just sour grapes that Bignot left?

Solihull moors risk is that they lose player or players at end of season for next to nothing.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Solihull moors risk is that they lose player or players at end of season for next to nothing.

A likely scenario is that if their players have agents which I am sure most do their agents will get a sniff that they are difficult to deal with and then focus on engineering moves for their clients....................No move for a player means no fee/kick back for the agent!.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

A likely scenario is that if their players have agents which I am sure most do their agents will get a sniff that they are difficult to deal with and then focus on engineering moves for their clients....................No move for a player means no fee/kick back for the agent!.

That's what risk is all about... who knows?

But without knowing the fees involved Ilkley, it's hard to quantify that remark. My guess is that we've offered less than 50k. Solihull paid a fee for the player of similar amount and they need him for the rest of the season to ensure their survival. They can probably deal with losing 30/40K right now for a longer term benefit. Plus, they say they have other clubs interested, and maybe one of these will get close to their valuation? If not, on they go.

The possible problem they may have is linked to the potential for the player to be unhappy if he did want to come. Unhappy players do not perform well.

I see it more like a house buying market - I was advised......you find a house you really want (and that others will want too) in a competitive market.....Give 'em the asking price, or near as dammit. Get it secured.

I repeat - do we really, really want these players?

All in all, I find it quite refreshing that we are finally paying fees to sign players again.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

That's what risk is all about... who knows?

I don't understand what you mean by "risk" in this scenario no risk to the agent or player as long as they are both half decent. No risk to SM if they behave reasonably and professionally.

All in all I doubt anyone on this site actually knows what the truth is about this and how negotiations relating to this matter or other moves actually work.......................I'll await my red crosses for that comment.

You're right mate

Surely Moors are getting in the way of his [Osborne] development?
I'm pretty sure I read that his current contract includes a sell-on clause. Bignot handled his contract back at Solihull and made sure that Moors won't go without

Quoted from HertsGTFC

A likely scenario is that if their players have agents which I am sure most do their agents will get a sniff that they are difficult to deal with and then focus on engineering moves for their clients....................No move for a player means no fee/kick back for the agent!.

Hi Herts you are factually correct.even players at conference north/south have agents, although by no means all. I don't think we need to get too hung up over this.mb knows non league like the back of his hand and there are certainly many fish in the non league sea!

This is purely down to the success of Omar and the fact they feel they let him go on the cheap plus they are trying to get a bidding war going .. who can blame them tbh

The Omar factor is at work here, no doubt. It's rumbled on a bit now though, I do wonder if an actual bidding war is hppening/going to happen?

Quoted from forza ivano

Hi Herts you are factually correct.even players at conference north/south have agents, although by no means all. I don't think we need to get too hung up over this.mb knows non league like the back of his hand and there are certainly many fish in the non league sea!

Yeah I agree talks of "bidding wars" for NL players who have never played in the FL feels really odd. I reckon we will soon see a take it or leave it move by GTFC so we can use the rest of the window to get another player in, I would be very surprised if Marcus & Gary Wilde don't have another choice in mind.  

You well-informed chaps probably know this already but when mb and mm left Solihull Moors they offered the manager's job to Gary Whild. He turned them down,possibly because he knew mb would offer him something at Grimsby. Could explain why they seem particularly miffed with us?

Quoted from Chris Packit

You well-informed chaps probably know this already but when mb and mm left Solihull Moors they offered the manager's job to Gary Whild. He turned them down,possibly because he knew mb would offer him something at Grimsby. Could explain why they seem particularly miffed with us?

Something along those lines I reckon. I don't recall anything like this from Bignot before, he's clearly irriitated by something in the background at Solihull. If that's the case then I can't see much problem with his outburst, where he goes from here is the test now. If the best deal we can offer is turned down, let's walk away and not mention it anymore.

Perhaps its good that its not happening now, Osbourne is just coming back from an injury nice to see if he can play a couple of 90 mins without breaking down.