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This is the first time I've heard that the stadium might be built in stages. Scenario A would be horrendous - two stands for 5 years. Bye bye atmosphere, bye bye feel good factor, bye bye attendances, bye bye GTFC.

Two alternative future development scenarios have been proposed by GTFC in order to
enable the development of a proposed 14,000 seat capacity stadium at Peaks Parkway.
These are:
• Scenario A: a 14,000 stadium with associated facilities (i.e. community sports
pitches) that would be developed in several stages and enabled by the development
of housing on five development sites in the vicinity of the proposed stadium. Under
this scenario, it is proposed that a total of 1,488 new dwellings would be developed.
In addition, there may also be some ancillary retail development associated with
serving the needs of the residential population that would be accommodated by the
new housing, but this retail development would be relatively modest in scale.

• Scenario B: a 14,000 seat stadium with associated facilities (i.e. community sports
pitches) that would be developed in a single stage and that would be enabled by
commercial retail and leisure development as well as housing (848 dwellings).


The assumed phasing of the development of the stadium under Scenario A is as follows:
• Year 1: community pitches and two stands (10,000 seat total capacity and providing
players’ and officials changing rooms, club offices, club shop hospitality facilities)
along each long side of the pitch plus associated parking.
• Year 5: third stand constructed at one end of the ground providing an additional
2,000 seats
• Year 9: fourth and final stand constructed providing an additional 2,000 seats and
raising the capacity to 14,000.
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Thanks for the links.

Seems we are still at the "convince the council it is a good idea" stage not the "this is where we are going to build it" stage.

Oh and I still really don't want us to move to Peaks Parkway.


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Quoted from Vance Warner
This is the first time I've heard that the stadium might be built in stages. Scenario A would be horrendous - two stands for 5 years. Bye bye atmosphere, bye bye feel good factor, bye bye attendances, bye bye GTFC.

Two alternative future development scenarios have been proposed by GTFC in order to
enable the development of a proposed 14,000 seat capacity stadium at Peaks Parkway.
These are:
• Scenario A: a 14,000 stadium with associated facilities (i.e. community sports
pitches) that would be developed in several stages and enabled by the development
of housing on five development sites in the vicinity of the proposed stadium. Under
this scenario, it is proposed that a total of 1,488 new dwellings would be developed.
In addition, there may also be some ancillary retail development associated with
serving the needs of the residential population that would be accommodated by the
new housing, but this retail development would be relatively modest in scale.

• Scenario B: a 14,000 seat stadium with associated facilities (i.e. community sports
pitches) that would be developed in a single stage and that would be enabled by
commercial retail and leisure development as well as housing (848 dwellings).


The assumed phasing of the development of the stadium under Scenario A is as follows:
• Year 1: community pitches and two stands (10,000 seat total capacity and providing
players’ and officials changing rooms, club offices, club shop hospitality facilities)
along each long side of the pitch plus associated parking.
• Year 5: third stand constructed at one end of the ground providing an additional
2,000 seats
• Year 9: fourth and final stand constructed providing an additional 2,000 seats and
raising the capacity to 14,000.


To give a bit more of a balanced view the documents clearly show the amount of good work that the club does in the local community. They also show the effort that has gone into trying to acquire a new stadium. The letters near the end (p356 onwards) make interesting reading.

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I'd rather they didn't bother if they're only going to (initially) build half a bloody stadium.


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Still all reliant on a partner being allowed to build either 1400 or 900 ish new homes on greenfields....in an area where there are already plans (and objections)to develop the fields around TollBar school with new homes and the site opposite Tesco too...both situated on the feeder roads to the Parkway/Low Farm(?) Roundabout.
That many new homes in a relatively small footprint all need additional infrastructure, shops,schools etc never mind the actual demand for so many new homes.

and from memory i think in the last round of P.R even with a developer and council funding weren't we still short of the actual financial target required ?

Really cant see it happening at PP.


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Having quickly read the info, I can't see it going anywhere soon, if ever I'm afraid. I hope I'm wrong though.
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Quoted from Southwark Mariner


Thanks for the links.

It makes me wonder how anything anywhere is ever built in Grimsby if documentation like this is needed for a possible football ground.

Like someone posted yesterday - and is mentioned early in the report - the club has no money or prospect of the major investment needed to make the stadium happen, and I am sure somewhere in that report will be a get out clause for the council to kick it into the long grass.  

It has been said many times but whilst Fenty is there we have very little chance of extra substantial investment, so we are caught between a rock and a hard place hoping the council will bale us out. The council will come under intense scrutiny from the public and no doubt if it goes ahead at all it will be a compromise that suits no one.
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Two stands then 5 years for a third and 9 years for the fourth - sounds very non-league to me

Forfuckssake - we'll be the laughing stock once again

'excrement ground no mascot, excrement ground no mascot'

Lets hope its never 'excrement ground no fans'!


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Quoted from moosey_club
Still all reliant on a partner being allowed to build either 1400 or 900 ish new homes on greenfields....in an area where there are already plans (and objections)to develop the fields around TollBar school with new homes and the site opposite Tesco too...both situated on the feeder roads to the Parkway/Low Farm(?) Roundabout.
That many new homes in a relatively small footprint all need additional infrastructure, shops,schools etc never mind the actual demand for so many new homes.

and from memory i think in the last round of P.R even with a developer and council funding weren't we still short of the actual financial target required ?

Really cant see it happening at PP.


The report touches on this (p308) and basically says 'yeah a bit more thought will have to go into this' -

[img]http://i63.tinypic.com/sxk3us.png[/img]
Although when you look at the conclusions on the other sites in the report it looks like Peaks Parkway really is the only even half-way feasible location.


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So there we have it Peaks Parkway is the only site that is available, so its either there or we don't have a new stadium.
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20 years to think about it not surprised at 10 years to build it.
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Thanks for the links.

It makes me wonder how anything anywhere is ever built in Grimsby if documentation like this is needed for a possible football ground.

Like someone posted yesterday - and is mentioned early in the report - the club has no money or prospect of the major investment needed to make the stadium happen, and I am sure somewhere in that report will be a get out clause for the council to kick it into the long grass.  

It has been said many times but whilst Fenty is there we have very little chance of extra substantial investment, so we are caught between a rock and a hard place hoping the council will bale us out. The council will come under intense scrutiny from the public and no doubt if it goes ahead at all it will be a compromise that suits no one.



It has been reported that an as yet unknown investor is prepared to be involved in funding a new stadium with JF on the board so that throws your comment out the window !


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It has been reported that an as yet unknown investor is prepared to be involved in funding a new stadium with JF on the board so that throws your comment out the window !


No it doesn't throw it out at all. The only investor that might be prepared to be involved will be a national company property developer and hence nothing to do with the club or the stadium once built. While Fenty is in sole charge the club has no other resources except via him. If Fenty cannot guarantee immediate planning permission for several hundred houses, shops, schools, roads .... etc. for that developer to make a profit on, plus the associated ancillary services that the council will need to provide, then there is no chance of outside investment in building a stadium.

If by some chance it did happen then Fenty also has to guarantee that there will be enough income to cover all the maintenance and running costs of the stadium. It is not enough to say that the public will use it, that businesses will use it or that the increased capacity will mean increased revenue. There will have to be some sort of outside investment in the community side of the stadium either from the council or from private funding. Clearly NELC will never be in a position to do it, the council cannot run the leisure centre/auditorium/swimming baths complex at a profit when all that was built without NELC money. The council is trying to get rid of direct responsibilities onto outside contractors for virtually everything it can lay its hands on. So NELC is unlikely to want to be involved in running a community stadium I'd have thought.

That brings us back to the club doing the job as some sort of management company, as planned at York's stadium. But that too requires outside backing so once again we return to Fenty's role at the club and his failure to find that backing over the past X years of trying.

It's more than a rock and a hard place. It's a boulder and a mountain.


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I thought I had read somewhere that the new ground and facilities would be owned by a new holding company which would be owned jointly between the council and JSF. GTFC would pay a peppercorn rent for the stadium.

Have I made that up? I really thought that was what I had been told/read
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Well from skimming through sections of the documents released, I'll read through them all word by word in time to come but I'll do it in stages.

Early signs are that Peaks Parkway have got 3 seperate owners so that creates problems because we need all 3 owners to agree to sell the land or atleast allow this development to take place, so a fair bit of negotiation is needed to achieve this.

Interesting to note that the council are willing utilise compulsory purchase orders but only in certain circumstances
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So as I understand it today's news is that planning consultants SLR have identified Peaks Parkway as the only site "reasonably available" and therefore will be recommending it in a report to N.E. Lincs Council at the council's cabinet meeting on 31 August.
The councillors will then decide which one to take forward as the most viable option.


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I'll believe it's going to happen when I see the first sod of earth dug and even then someone would probably find a nest of rare crested newts or the like nearby!


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Time wasting exercise. Defreitas will be love going round the houses with this to evetualy end nowhere. the guy needs a slap as he wont let it happen, some people really dont care about taking this town forward if theres nothing in it for them. hang the lot of them thats what i say.!


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Stadium up date, version 1,000,000,000.2 fully installed, this is as bad as that annoying java updates or windows 10 upgrade.


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Just cannot see it happening in this backward Town. It requires huge investment, support from the people and the council and joined up thinking by the football club board.
I simply don't see any of those elements let alone all of them coming together
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Does anybody really see the current board delivering a stadium that is fit for purpose and in the best interest of the club and the town?
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Does anybody really see the current board delivering a stadium that is fit for purpose and in the best interest of the club and the town?


Depends on how many volunteers chip in  


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It's not really going to affect me.
I'm 57 now and can't see myself lasting much past 80.
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Quoted from GYinScuntland
It's not really going to affect me.
I'm 57 now and can't see myself lasting much past 80.




Same here and i'm 56.



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If we had started an 'operation fish stadium' Alla OP at the time the stadium was first muted we would of probably been there by now !
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The folk that run this town are backward to the core. We are an outdated town with outdated facilities. A new Community Stadium would bring in further investment into our ailing town, an I would hope that investment would snowball.

Why to those in power hold the town back?
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Interning to know Colchester Council took out a 10 million pound loan to build their stadium and the rent it to Colchester United.
Can't imagine the uproar if that was to happen here.
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Fenty on Radio Humberside about it now.


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What's he got to say?


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From the council who gave us the 37m swimming pool, the not-a-Theatre-not-a-SportsHall Cultural Centre in the middle of a council estate, the bulldozing of the town's finest 19th century architecture, the £6m grey seizure-inducing paving slabs, the £7m Icelandic Bank Deposit, the slow-motion rotting of the FishDocks and with it any last vestige of the town's industrial heritage.  Why should we be surprised?
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What's he got to say?


Oh sh!te I hope that just for once he engages his brain before opening his gob or it could be yet another GTFC laughing stock moment



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Quoted from HackneyHaddock
From the council who gave us the 37m swimming pool, the not-a-Theatre-not-a-SportsHall Cultural Centre in the middle of a council estate, the bulldozing of the town's finest 19th century architecture, the £6m grey seizure-inducing paving slabs, the £7m Icelandic Bank Deposit, the slow-motion rotting of the FishDocks and with it any last vestige of the town's industrial heritage.  Why should we be surprised?


Wouldn't be surprised to see the crazy paving dug up just before any new stadium was to built only to appear as the foundations at the Fish Bowl. At least then the council could say they contributed and drove the scheme on.

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I would be glad of a stadium with just one side at the moment, never mind two! Just so this actually gets going at last!
I thought Oxfords ground looked a bit weird with three sides but actually it was OK when the match started. A great ground!
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One for the away supporters perhaps?

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Seriously though, who the f** in their right mind builds a 37 metre swimming pool?

The same people who'd build a two-sided football ground it would seem.
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Oh sh!te I hope that just for once he engages his brain before opening his gob or it could be yet another GTFC laughing stock moment


I thought you and him were mates now you've been chatting in car parks? You're a bit fickle aren't you?!  


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Seriously though, who the f** in their right mind builds a 37 metre swimming pool?

The same people who'd build a two-sided football ground it would seem.


They had to put a boom in afterwards to accommodate the clubs at 25 metre, my one claim to fame ( sad ) is that I could swim that 37 metre underwater without coming up for air and I reckon I could still do it now at 56, although I am not as streamline as I used to be ( belly ).



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One for the away supporters perhaps?

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Since when do you go to home games anyway?


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Seriously though, who the f** in their right mind builds a 37 metre swimming pool?

The same people who'd build a two-sided football ground it would seem.


My old man used to moan about that. They had a perfect opportunity to build an Olympic sized pool when they built Scaffa Baffs.

Not unusual though. I use an old lido which is 36m (40 yards).


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They had to put a boom in afterwards to accommodate the clubs at 25 metre, my one claim to fame ( sad ) is that I could swim that 37 metre underwater without coming up for air and I reckon I could still do it now at 56, although I am not as streamline as I used to be ( belly ).



I'm pretty sure my old man could do the whole length underwater.  I used to dread having to do just 10m underwater on my Friday afternoon lessons there!
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Skip to exactly 20 minutes in >> [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p043bt9d]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p043bt9d[/url]



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From the council who gave us the 37m swimming pool, the not-a-Theatre-not-a-SportsHall Cultural Centre in the middle of a council estate, the bulldozing of the town's finest 19th century architecture, the £6m grey seizure-inducing paving slabs, the £7m Icelandic Bank Deposit, the slow-motion rotting of the FishDocks and with it any last vestige of the town's industrial heritage.  Why should we be surprised?


??


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It has been reported that an as yet unknown investor is prepared to be involved in funding a new stadium with JF on the board so that throws your comment out the window !


I meant direct investment into the football club that would obviate the need for council help to fund it. It is difficult enough dealing with the council for planning and all the associated issues, but it is a hundred times more difficult when asking the council for money to fund it.

The unknown investor is there to make a shed load of money on building on the land, which is fair enough, but a club of our size ( as compared to say Scunthorpe) could/should have more investment.    
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What's this 19th century architecture what got demolished ? apologies for appearing thick but my mind has gone blank
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What's this 19th century architecture what got demolished ? apologies for appearing thick but my mind has gone blank


Because it had mostly gone before you were born, Aaron.
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What's this 19th century architecture what got demolished ? apologies for appearing thick but my mind has gone blank


I think it means the centre of Grimsby as it used to be - the Bull Ring area with its beautiful half timbered buildings which would have been a fantastic backdrop to a Town centre today.

I think we got St.james hotel and Prestos (now Wilkinsons) as a replacement for buildings that had stood a lifetime and with a bit of careful planning could have given us one of the lovliest town centres in the country.  
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"Prestos", wow, I forgot that  
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"Prestos", wow, I forgot that  


What about the tipping buckets ??


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Oh Prestos I remember that, didn't the chain convert into Safeway or something? obviously in time ours became a wilkos
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I thought you and him were mates now you've been chatting in car parks? You're a bit fickle aren't you?!  


We're mates I hope - I think he's a good bloke but he is still a disaster when he speaks publicly



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What about the tipping buckets ??


Yes, I DO remember them. People used to put washing up liquid in the water and there would be foam spelling out over the square  

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i am not sure if the old underground toilets are still buried there or if they were dug up when the fountain feature was filled in?


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From the council who gave us the 37m swimming pool, the not-a-Theatre-not-a-SportsHall Cultural Centre in the middle of a council estate, the bulldozing of the town's finest 19th century architecture, the £6m grey seizure-inducing paving slabs, the £7m Icelandic Bank Deposit, the slow-motion rotting of the FishDocks and with it any last vestige of the town's industrial heritage.  Why should we be surprised?


I have heard that other local councils often visit Grimsby to see the damage that can be done when you remove fine architecture ............ the Town has no soul


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I meant direct investment into the football club that would obviate the need for council help to fund it. It is difficult enough dealing with the council for planning and all the associated issues, but it is a hundred times more difficult when asking the council for money to fund it.

The unknown investor is there to make a shed load of money on building on the land, which is fair enough, but a club of our size ( as compared to say Scunthorpe) could/should have more investment.    



In other words we need someone on the Board with £22 million spare to fund our new ground ! That's never going to happen.


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I just hope if it ever does get built we look at all the other new stadiums and take the best ideas .Rotherhams New York stadium  looks really impressive due to having one bigger home side stand with it all enclosed meaning good acoustics .Although 2-3000 smaller than Donnys keepmoat ,from the outside it looks like a 20 000 seater.
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Since when do you go to home games anyway?


Well I might when we are at Peakes Parkway as it will be nearer my house



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What about the tipping buckets ??


Bloody hell! I'd forgotten those. LOVED them as a kid.


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Ive had a good opportunity to read the reports and as others have commented Peaks Parkway is the ONLY viable site. To be honest that site was never my preferred, but if its the only site available, then Peaks Parkway it has to be! I could only see one landowner for Peaks Parkway - NELC and agreement (asuming cabinet support) has been made for Stadium use. So no issues there. I dont know why many people keep going on about additional NELC funding for the stadium as that should not be required. The club are in talks with an enabling developer and that should cover initial construction costs. Reading the report and additional letters really brings home the amount of work that has gone into this decision, so credit to NELC and the Club for this.
I wish people will stop going on about how NELC keep holding this project back when all the evidence suggest the current council have been actively engaged in the process.

I really hope the ground will not be built in stages. Will this definately be the case?
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Agreed Heppy. If the council will release the land for the project, developers would be falling over themselves to build that many houses and build a stadium with ancillary buildings. It's prime building land for a big housing developer. 1500 houses selling between £100,000 and £200,000 (or more) is a big incentive. If the land is council owned, they will be making money, not spending it. Building plots with planning permission are worth a fortune.

Unless i have missed something obvious, i can't see why this can't be a goer.
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I admit that the new ground issue is very divisive with lots of views and opinions.

I see the Cod Almighty crew, (otherwise known as yoghurt knitting liberals exiles) are stating that every new ground is excrement, or soulless and we dont need to move.

Did they really 'enjoy' Millmoor, Saltergate, Belle Vue etc? They were shitholes. Yes they had some character but  surely a more efficient stadium which does not drain resources and divert income away from the team is a better solution even to those who are so blind they cannot see?
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All grounds were new once and 'character' usually means old and dilapidated. I love BP and would quite happily see out my days there, but it's just come to the end of it's time. To update it would cost a fortune and there still wouldn't be any room for parking or expansion. People want more than just a pitch and four stands nowadays.
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Get Defreitas a cushy little number (a job for the boys) and line his pockets, he will soon swing round.

Lets just get the dam thing built.

Also people metioning Mr Fenty working with other investors? It looks like he does like to be the head honcho so may not share his toys. looks this way to someone looking in from the outside , especially after the last guy (Parker).
I do like John F and think he is a shrewd business man but unless he lets someone invest it going to be difficult to achieve anything. he is simply to tight so somethings got to give. Sorry John, but anyone must be mad to run a footy club, far too expensive.
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Get Defreitas a cushy little number (a job for the boys) and line his pockets, he will soon swing round.

Lets just get the dam thing built.

Also people metioning Mr Fenty working with other investors? It looks like he does like to be the head honcho so may not share his toys. looks this way to someone looking in from the outside , especially after the last guy (Parker).
I do like John F and think he is a shrewd business man but unless he lets someone invest it going to be difficult to achieve anything. he is simply to tight so somethings got to give. Sorry John, but anyone must be mad to run a footy club, far too expensive.


But isn't that the whole point of wanting a new ground- not having to rely on rich benefactors propping up the club with their personal wealth? To boost matchday income with money from conferencing facilities, private functions, shops, bars and eateries, to mention some off the top of my head. Matchday income isn't the key factor like it used to be in days gone by. Being able to use the ground 365 days a year instead of 23 and a few parties in Mcmenemy's.
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But isn't that the whole point of wanting a new ground- not having to rely on rich benefactors propping up the club with their personal wealth? To boost matchday income with money from conferencing facilities, private functions, shops, bars and eateries, to mention some off the top of my head. Matchday income isn't the key factor like it used to be in days gone by. Being able to use the ground 365 days a year instead of 23 and a few parties in Mcmenemy's.


Quite right that is the point, BUT based on 20 odd years of effort getting a new ground realistically how long is it really going to take?.
One mans money and ambition really is unlikely to be enough, this is very negative i know but history teaches us this is how it is.

We have had one single season since the Championship were the fans have had a reason to celerbrate which is an awful long time. If we said to someone when in the championship in 17 years we will be celebrating promotion from the conference they would have laughed!.

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So far have kept out of this new stadium as I'm unconvinced of the benefits. We hear so much about these seven day facilities and income generation that the majority shareholder talks about. What are these facilities that will bring income in seven days a week? Has the club done any market research? Times are hard and money is particularly tight in the area. Certain seven day facilities at a ground in Colchester, Essex being quite a prosperous area might generate income in that part of country but not necessarily in North East Lincolnshire. If we spend all this money on a new ground and say for example, we build five a side pitches are people going to use them and will they be affordable enough? These are the sort of questions I haven't seen any answers to something which could conceivably kill the club if things fail.


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The stadium was the main discussion topic on Burnsy's RH morning show today. Defraites was on, Tony Butcher from CA too....as were several other local residents who are very against it, without really being able to articulate cogent arguments as to 'why'. The overall tone of the feature came across as very near sighted, parochial and generally negative. Left me feeling that there are people in the town who don't want to see it grow and evolve and modernise, and who seem very self interested.


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So far have kept out of this new stadium as I'm unconvinced of the benefits. We hear so much about these seven day facilities and income generation that the majority shareholder talks about. What are these facilities that will bring income in seven days a week? Has the club done any market research? Times are hard and money is particularly tight in the area. Certain seven day facilities at a ground in Colchester, Essex being quite a prosperous area might generate income in that part of country but not necessarily in North East Lincolnshire. If we spend all this money on a new ground and say for example, we build five a side pitches are people going to use them and will they be affordable enough? These are the sort of questions I haven't seen any answers to something which could conceivably kill the club if things fail.


There's some research in the 422 page document. I read a few pages the other day about use of 3G pitches and number of teams etc in the area. It's actually quite an interesting read.
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There's some research in the 422 page document. I read a few pages the other day about use of 3G pitches and number of teams etc in the area. It's actually quite an interesting read.


Thanks, must have missed it. Will have another look.


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Quoted from davmariner
So far have kept out of this new stadium as I'm unconvinced of the benefits. We hear so much about these seven day facilities and income generation that the majority shareholder talks about. What are these facilities that will bring income in seven days a week? Has the club done any market research? Times are hard and money is particularly tight in the area. Certain seven day facilities at a ground in Colchester, Essex being quite a prosperous area might generate income in that part of country but not necessarily in North East Lincolnshire. If we spend all this money on a new ground and say for example, we build five a side pitches are people going to use them and will they be affordable enough? These are the sort of questions I haven't seen any answers to something which could conceivably kill the club if things fail.


I tell you what Davmariner , let's forget about a new stadium and just let BP crumble around our ears until it is classed as unfit for a football stadium. We can then let GTFC just disappear and divert our allegiance to Grimsby Borough!
Everyone seems to think that if we don't get a new stadium then we can carry on at BP and develop it. Wrong ! There is no guarantee that any alterations to BP would get planning permission and I think the local objections could be colossal. You also have the situation with the wooden Main Stand. This is a huge fire risk and even though BP is non-smoking , fires can start from many other sources such as electrical faults. There is also the problem of car parking. Any planning permission that could be granted would depend on factoring in adequate car parking being included in the development. It's just not good enough these days to say that fans can park their cars on the street, the locals would object to this in their droves and rightly so.
I would be very much surprised to find that the club hasn't done any research on alternative income schemes, considering the amount of money that has been spent planning the new ground and the final costs involved.
We here so much about the negative , backward thinking of the GTFC Board and NE Lincs council but your attitude  is proof of that same attitude by some of our ( supposed ) supporters.


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Cod Almighty's stance seems to be that they don't like modern stadia, don't think the club have provided any evidence to show a new stadium will result in increased income and don't have any confidence in Fenty to actually manage the whole process. Which is all fair enough, except the club is losing money hand-over-fist and we'll go out of business if we don't do something. Fenty isn't going to prop us up forever and I'd rather Grimsby Town continued to exist in a 'soulless' new stadium at Peaks Parkway than played out it's last few seasons at an increasingly decrepit Blundell Park before going bankrupt and folding.


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Cod Almighty's stance seems to be that they don't like modern stadia, don't think the club have provided any evidence to show a new stadium will result in increased income and don't have any confidence in Fenty to actually manage the whole process. Which is all fair enough, except the club is losing money hand-over-fist and we'll go out of business if we don't do something. Fenty isn't going to prop us up forever and I'd rather Grimsby Town continued to exist in a 'soulless' new stadium at Peaks Parkway than played out it's last few seasons at an increasingly decrepit Blundell Park before going bankrupt and folding.


That certainly goes hand in hand with my view of Mr Butcher. I am surprised he came out from up his own bottom to appear on Radio Humberside tbh!

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I tell you what Davmariner , let's forget about a new stadium and just let BP crumble around our ears until it is classed as unfit for a football stadium. We can then let GTFC just disappear and divert our allegiance to Grimsby Borough!
Everyone seems to think that if we don't get a new stadium then we can carry on at BP and develop it. Wrong ! There is no guarantee that any alterations to BP would get planning permission and I think the local objections could be colossal. You also have the situation with the wooden Main Stand. This is a huge fire risk and even though BP is non-smoking , fires can start from many other sources such as electrical faults. There is also the problem of car parking. Any planning permission that could be granted would depend on factoring in adequate car parking being included in the development. It's just not good enough these days to say that fans can park their cars on the street, the locals would object to this in their droves and rightly so.
I would be very much surprised to find that the club hasn't done any research on alternative income schemes, considering the amount of money that has been spent planning the new ground and the final costs involved.
We here so much about the negative , backward thinking of the GTFC Board and NE Lincs council but your attitude  is proof of that same attitude by some of our ( supposed ) supporters.


So because I have concerns about our current plans means that I'm a 'supposed supporter'? Funny that, if you weren't so far up your own backside and actually read my post at no point did I say that we didn't need a new ground or that we should stay at/redevelop Blundell Park. I'm unconvinced by the current plans. That doesn't mean that people can't question/scrutinise plans. Nor have I lambasted anyone else's view. It's tools like you that stifle any debate on this board.


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Certain seven day facilities at a ground in Colchester, Essex being quite a prosperous area might generate income in that part of country but not necessarily in North East Lincolnshire. .


I'm not sure how much of the non-football income from Colchester's superb facilities go to the club. The premises are owned by the Council and rented to the club and whilst many of the activities must bring in income for them there are also events, meetings, conferences etc which are Council run and based. Also do the council take a % over and above the rental of any non-footie takings?

I'll ask my mate who has a ST

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Cod Almighty's stance seems to be that they don't like modern stadia, don't think the club have provided any evidence to show a new stadium will result in increased income and don't have any confidence in Fenty to actually manage the whole process. Which is all fair enough, except the club is losing money hand-over-fist and we'll go out of business if we don't do something. Fenty isn't going to prop us up forever and I'd rather Grimsby Town continued to exist in a 'soulless' new stadium at Peaks Parkway than played out it's last few seasons at an increasingly decrepit Blundell Park before going bankrupt and folding.

If the current board walked away from the club now, do you think it would fold? Do you think no other administration could deliver a new stadium? Do we trust this board to complete such an important project?
I am not against a new stadium, but certain questions still remain about the evidence of revenue it will create, benefit to the club and the town. Teams that have gone well in new grounds have seen ambitious investment in the team at the same time, that is not something we have seen from this board. I'd also like to know if any directors stand to benefit financially from the building of the new ground and enabling developments.

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So far have kept out of this new stadium as I'm unconvinced of the benefits. We hear so much about these seven day facilities and income generation that the majority shareholder talks about. What are these facilities that will bring income in seven days a week? Has the club done any market research? Times are hard and money is particularly tight in the area. Certain seven day facilities at a ground in Colchester, Essex being quite a prosperous area might generate income in that part of country but not necessarily in North East Lincolnshire. If we spend all this money on a new ground and say for example, we build five a side pitches are people going to use them and will they be affordable enough? These are the sort of questions I haven't seen any answers to something which could conceivably kill the club if things fail.


Have you been to the Colchester stadium? It's nowhere near Colchester, right alongside the A12. Peaks Parkway, Great Coates, even Waltham Airfield would be nearer the centre of Grimsby than it is.
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I've noticed that the majority of fans who are against the idea tend to be exiles who don't want to move away from their two or three home matchday routine of going to the same pub and chippy on the way in.

I want to move - I go to 95% of home games and I am getting sick of not being able to go to the bogs and the kiosk queue (after washing my hands in the water pumped directly from the arctic) over half time because the queue is far too big. I want to be able to go to the bar at half time and be able to get served without missing any of the game. I want to be able to park a short walk away (having said that PP is a half hour walk from mine so I'm likely to do that instead). I don't want us to miss out on players because our facilities are inferior to such footballing giants as Donny and Scunny - imagine how decrepit BP will be in ten years. It's a state as it is now! Would you enjoy watching footy at BP as an away fan? It's good enough for us now but I want us to push forward and it's more likely with extra income from the other tenants etc.

I don't disagree with the "do you trust the council/club to deliver" thought though. Pretty valid point in fairness.
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I've noticed that the majority of fans who are against the idea tend to be exiles who don't want to move away from their two or three home matchday routine of going to the same pub and chippy on the way in.

I want to move - I go to 95% of home games and I am getting sick of not being able to go to the bogs and the kiosk queue (after washing my hands in the water pumped directly from the arctic) over half time because the queue is far too big. I want to be able to go to the bar at half time and be able to get served without missing any of the game. I want to be able to park a short walk away (having said that PP is a half hour walk from mine so I'm likely to do that instead). I don't want us to miss out on players because are facilities are inferior to such footballing giants as Donny and Scunny - imagine how decrepit BP will be in ten years. It's a state as it is now! Would you enjoy watching footy at BP as an away fan? It's good enough for us now but I want us to push forward and it's more likely with extra income from the other tenants etc.

I don't disagree with the "do you trust the council/club to deliver" thought though. Pretty valid point in fairness.


Agree with all of the above apart from the bit about 'good enough now'. Good enough for the non-league but there are non-league clubs whose facilities are improving beyond ours. Rarely do JF and I agree but this needs to happen asap for GTFC to have a future with any kind of prosperity. Attracting investment, sponsors, players, new managers/coaches would all be a lot easier if we had a facility to compete with others. I never wanted to see the day when I was jealous of Scunthorpe but if they can do what they're doing with their fanbase....
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If the current board walked away from the club now, do you think it would fold? Do you think no other administration could deliver a new stadium? Do we trust this board to complete such an important project?
I am not against a new stadium, but certain questions still remain about the evidence of revenue it will create, benefit to the club and the town. Teams that have gone well in new grounds have seen ambitious investment in the team at the same time, that is not something we have seen from this board. I'd also like to know if any directors stand to benefit financially from the building of the new ground and enabling developments.



In all likelihood, yes. Latest accounts show that we're £2.5 million in debt (~£300k to banks, £2.3 million to Fenty) and the only season in recent years where we've turned a profit was when we received £700k from Peterborough after they sold Bennett to Norwich. There's no way we could continue to function as a league club without Fenty (or another rich backer) putting money in, and if we were to slash wage costs in an attempt to balance the books we'd end up spiralling and ultimately folding through poor results, relegations & lack of revenue through diminished interest and attendances.


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Peaks Parkway, even though on the edge of town. is still pretty central for most. I'd like the club and council get together to promote the health benefits of walking to the ground. There's a good number of fans who live within two miles of the stadium. It would represent a good hour of exercise every other week. If possible it would be good to see new or improved arterial decent quality footpaths leading to the ground from surrounding areas of population such as New Waltham, Scartho, Nunsthorpe, Humberston, Matthew Humberston and Central Grimsby. It would be a good habit for fans to get into, reduce traffic congestion and create another positive image for the project..
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Have you been to the Colchester stadium? It's nowhere near Colchester, right alongside the A12. Peaks Parkway, Great Coates, even Waltham Airfield would be nearer the centre of Grimsby than it is.


Yes you're quite right. Colchester may not be the best example but was using it to highlight that their club may be in more of a position to earn well from use of other facilities as people generally have more disposable income in Essex.


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In all likelihood, yes. Latest accounts show that we're £2.5 million in debt (~£300k to banks, £2.3 million to Fenty) and the only season in recent years where we've turned a profit was when we received £700k from Peterborough after they sold Bennett to Norwich. There's no way we could continue to function as a league club without Fenty (or another rich backer) putting money in, and if we were to slash wage costs in an attempt to balance the books we'd end up spiralling and ultimately folding through poor results, relegations & lack of revenue through diminished interest and attendances.


Agree 100% with above but I await the accounts from the year ending May 2016 with interest. The fans put in £100k, gates ended up 800 or so per game over budget, we went to wembley twice. IF JF or the Mullens still put more money in then the club is without doubt  poorly run.
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Peaks Parkway, even though on the edge of town. is still pretty central for most. I'd like the club and council get together to promote the health benefits of walking to the ground. There's a good number of fans who live within two miles of the stadium. It would represent a good hour of exercise every other week. If possible it would be good to see new or improved arterial footpaths leading to the ground from surrounding areas of population such as New Waltham, Scartho, Nunsthorpe, Humberston, Matthew Humberston and Central Grimsby. It would be a good habit for fans to get into, reduce traffic congestion and create another positive image for the project..


I walk to the ground and back now and i also walk through the fields sometimes where the new ground is proposed. There are already cycle/footpaths running along and through Peaks Parkway. You can walk right from Weelsby Road, through Weelsby Woods and all the way to Hewitts Avenue, or along a footpath that runs along the side of Peaks Parkway itself.

There seems to be some confusion about all this. My take on it is that the Council release the land to a developer and he gets to build loads of houses and a nice shiny new ground, along with other ancillary buildings, shops, roads, community pitches etc etc. As far as i can tell, the enabling developer foots the bill, not the club or the Council. As for income streams, i know for a fact that people from GY travel to Glandford Park for conferences and business meetings because my other half has been to several on different days of the week. If it's the case that we hire the ground from the council, then so what? Are we saying that Scunny, Donny and Rotherham are prosperous areas and can somehow attract income streams that we can't? Look where they are, a damn site better off than we are and in the case of Donny, they have travelled the same path we did, dropping into non league before rising again and getting a new ground along the way. I really can't see why anyone would think this is not a good thing if it happens.
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What I don't understand is that the council have stated they need 13,000 new homes built by 2032. Why would a developer want to fund a stadium for GTFC when they can just go down the road to GreatCoates and build thousands there?

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There's some research in the 422 page document. I read a few pages the other day about use of 3G pitches and number of teams etc in the area. It's actually quite an interesting read.


was that the number of teams in the area that is dwindling ? Saturday league gone, Sunday league wont be far behind it at the current rate, down to 5 Divisions now and still teams dropping out before a ball is kicked...3G facilities have closed down as have other astro pitches so i am not convinced there is a huge demand for these facilities in the town.


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What I don't understand is that the council have stated they need 13,000 new homes built by 2032. Why would a developer want to fund a stadium for GTFC when they can just go down the road to GreatCoates and build thousands there?

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.....77-detail/story.html


Developers will build houses anywhere they can get land and permission to do so. If the council offer them the correct package, with the proviso that a stadium is part of the deal, they will go for it. House building is very lucrative, especially if you can get the land at a favourable rate.

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So because I have concerns about our current plans means that I'm a 'supposed supporter'? Funny that, if you weren't so far up your own backside and actually read my post at no point did I say that we didn't need a new ground or that we should stay at/redevelop Blundell Park. I'm unconvinced by the current plans. That doesn't mean that people can't question/scrutinise plans. Nor have I lambasted anyone else's view. It's tools like you that stifle any debate on this board.



So the abuse begins again ! I was pointing out that your points made were often made by fans who don't want to move from BP. The whole tone of your post indicated a reluctance to move grounds or being unconvinced that what was being proposed was the right move. The fact remains we have to move - there are no " ifs or buts " and the current plans are the only option on the table. You may not be convinced by them but all the investigations point to this being the best way forward and we , as fans, should be united in getting behind the club and trusting what is proposed.
It's such a shame that some posters on here can't reply to posts without resorting to insulting expressions and accusing posters of " stifling debate " which I certainly don't and have never done.


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So because I have concerns about our current plans means that I'm a 'supposed supporter'? Funny that, if you weren't so far up your own backside and actually read my post at no point did I say that we didn't need a new ground or that we should stay at/redevelop Blundell Park. I'm unconvinced by the current plans. That doesn't mean that people can't question/scrutinise plans. Nor have I lambasted anyone else's view. It's tools like you that stifle any debate on this board.



So the abuse begins again ! I was pointing out that your points made were often made by fans who don't want to move from BP. The whole tone of your post indicated a reluctance to move grounds or being unconvinced that what was being proposed was the right move. The fact remains we have to move - there are no " ifs or buts " and the current plans are the only option on the table. You may not be convinced by them but all the investigations point to this being the best way forward and we , as fans, should be united in getting behind the club and trusting what is proposed.
It's such a shame that some posters on here can't reply to posts without resorting to insulting expressions and accusing posters of " stifling debate " which I certainly don't and have never done.


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So the abuse begins again ! I was pointing out that your points made were often made by fans who don't want to move from BP. The whole tone of your post indicated a reluctance to move grounds or being unconvinced that what was being proposed was the right move. The fact remains we have to move - there are no " ifs or buts " and the current plans are the only option on the table. You may not be convinced by them but all the investigations point to this being the best way forward and we , as fans, should be united in getting behind the club and trusting what is proposed.
It's such a shame that some posters on here can't reply to posts without resorting to insulting expressions and accusing posters of " stifling debate " which I certainly don't and have never done.


Get off your high horse. It was you who got personal. Clearly you're incapable of having a reasonable debate accusing me of having a negative attitude, questioning my support of the club and without having even read my post properly. Not sure who you think you are, I wanted to discuss the merits of a new ground with fellow supporters without some keyboard warrior going off on one because someone disagrees with their perspective.


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The facts are that a group of professional assessors have looked at all of the sites and have concluded that Peaks Parkway is the best site available. Given the insurmountable difficulties in being able to redevelop Blundell Park to give the club a chance of income seven days a week why wouldn't any GTFC fan get behind the development. The planning process including the actual production of detailed plans represents the start of the real hard work and a "How do we make this work" rather than the usual stance of "That won't work" needs to be adopted by the area as a whole...
Remember the mass building of houses on the site is a fall back. Who is to say that leisure developments won't come to the fore now that the site looks like being settled.


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The facts are that a group of professional assessors have looked at all of the sites and have concluded that Peaks Parkway is the best site available. Given the insurmountable difficulties in being able to redevelop Blundell Park to give the club a chance of income seven days a week why wouldn't any GTFC fan get behind the development. The planning process including the actual production of detailed plans represents the start of the real hard work and a "How do we make this work" rather than the usual stance of "That won't work" needs to be adopted by the area as a whole...
Remember the mass building of houses on the site is a fall back. Who is to say that leisure developments won't come to the fore now that the site looks like being settled.


Even with the leisure development it will still involve 850 houses.
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So far have kept out of this new stadium as I'm unconvinced of the benefits. We hear so much about these seven day facilities and income generation that the majority shareholder talks about. What are these facilities that will bring income in seven days a week? Has the club done any market research? Times are hard and money is particularly tight in the area. Certain seven day facilities at a ground in Colchester, Essex being quite a prosperous area might generate income in that part of country but not necessarily in North East Lincolnshire. If we spend all this money on a new ground and say for example, we build five a side pitches are people going to use them and will they be affordable enough? These are the sort of questions I haven't seen any answers to something which could conceivably kill the club if things fail.


My Mrs works at the Liberty as a casual and she gets work regularly at corporate functions and concerts and the like. They literally employ hundreds of people on a list and the first lot to reply gets the work. Swansea is a poor area and it works down here just fine.
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If the area really is in crisis when it comes to conference rooms why hasn't any one else just built a conference centre?

I genuinely think it is taking the urine to say that having some conference rooms makes a multi million pound stadium development sustainable. Absolute balderdash in my opinion.


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If the area really is in crisis when it comes to conference rooms why hasn't any one else just built a conference centre?

I genuinely think it is taking the urine to say that having some conference rooms makes a multi million pound stadium development sustainable. Absolute balderdash in my opinion.


It works at Rotherham - we do a lot of work in the area and the joint arrangement between the council and the club there means that several people are employed on a far more permanent basis than they would be at a 'normal' football ground without the additional facilities.
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My Mrs works at the Liberty as a casual and she gets work regularly at corporate functions and concerts and the like. They literally employ hundreds of people on a list and the first lot to reply gets the work. Swansea is a poor area and it works down here just fine.


Interesting perspective, thanks for that. This is the sort of reply I'd hope for. Any idea of what kind of crowds Swansea were getting before they moved?


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Again though - if there was bags of money to be made in hosting conferences in the area then someone would build a conference centre. Not a £20 million football stadium that can host conferences (except on a number of Saturdays and Tueadays).

The financial argument I can understand is selling what we have to then rent somewhere new. If we sell BP then we get some money in the bank, Fenty recoups some of his loan and then we pray to god then council, IKEA, sainsburys or someone pays for a new ground that we can rent from them. All seems incredibly short term thinking. If I was incredibly skint I may consider selling my house and then renting but it would be a last resort.

A community stadium means the club don't own it. We will be tenants.


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Interesting perspective, thanks for that. This is the sort of reply I'd hope for. Any idea of what kind of crowds Swansea were getting before they moved?


I used to go down the vetch for my fix of lower level footy when town were in the championship, they'd get crowds around the 2-3k mark. It was far far worse than BP is right now. The new stadium is 20k and full every week, I can't remember how many used to go in League1 but it was certainly at least three times as many people as you'd get down the vetch.
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If the area really is in crisis when it comes to conference rooms why hasn't any one else just built a conference centre?

I genuinely think it is taking the urine to say that having some conference rooms makes a multi million pound stadium development sustainable. Absolute balderdash in my opinion.


It's a fairly broad offering though at stadiums, they host works parties at Christmas, birthdays, anniversaries people even get married there (go figure!!!), jobs fairs get held there, charitys book them for fund raisers. At least that's the types of things my other half has worked at. I assume the club will make an income from the 4G pitches and playing fields as well as the room hire and catering facilities, if the rooms are configurable they may even be offering space for things like yoga, zumba etc.

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1.3 miles from Cleethorpes railway station to BP.

1.2 miles from Grimsby Town station to proposed PP development.

Lazy google mapping I know but they're still similar distances.
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As much as the club need a new ground I really don't think it will happen anytime soon. There'll be opposition to it, protests,appeals etc etc. You could argue there's more than a few areas in the plans that could be reasonably questioned, certainly by someone with a good knowledge of legal and planning areas.


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Heard De Freitas on the radio today his main argument Being the cemetery, this cretin will do everything in his power to stop this from ever happening and seeing that he's on the planning committee he will get every opportunity.


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Quoted from LH
1.3 miles from Cleethorpes railway station to BP.

1.2 miles from Grimsby Town station to proposed PP development.

Lazy google mapping I know but they're still similar distances.


You forgot the New Clee station, off Thorald Street.

New Clee train station to BP = 0.7 mile which is about 13 minutes, and you left out your access route from GY train station to proposed site because the 1.2 mile isn't for being on foot.


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Again though - if there was bags of money to be made in hosting conferences in the area then someone would build a conference centre. Not a £20 million football stadium that can host conferences (except on a number of Saturdays and Tueadays).

The financial argument I can understand is selling what we have to then rent somewhere new. If we sell BP then we get some money in the bank, Fenty recoups some of his loan and then we pray to god then council, IKEA, sainsburys or someone pays for a new ground that we can rent from them. All seems incredibly short term thinking. If I was incredibly skint I may consider selling my house and then renting but it would be a last resort.

A community stadium means the club don't own it. We will be tenants.


Exactly the situation at Rotherham - but why would you build a conference centre when you can build a community stadium with conference facilities. So long as we don't build a football stadium for the Conference that'll be fine by me.
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If you're going to be pedantic the vast majority of supporters attending matches by trains will not be on board services which stop at New Clee though


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In all likelihood, yes. Latest accounts show that we're £2.5 million in debt (~£300k to banks, £2.3 million to Fenty) and the only season in recent years where we've turned a profit was when we received £700k from Peterborough after they sold Bennett to Norwich. There's no way we could continue to function as a league club without Fenty (or another rich backer) putting money in, and if we were to slash wage costs in an attempt to balance the books we'd end up spiralling and ultimately folding through poor results, relegations & lack of revenue through diminished interest and attendances.


There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that that club would turn a profit in a new ground. Clubs that have made the best of a move have done it alongside major investment in the team.
The huge problem is that debt to directors and that it secures control over the club to the debtors. I'm sure that without those debts if the club was available somebody would take it on.
Surely though there has to be a third way, the fans raised over 100 grand last year to top up the budget, this created such positivity and a stake for the fans in the team, we are capable of 6k plus gates which in itself would be enough to maintain a side in this division. Why couldn't the fans run the club within its means? Op promotion proved that more stakeholders created more interest.
At the moment fans are divided because the club is a rich man's folly. Don't forget the people who are making these decisions on the building of a new ground are the same people who voted for the new EFL Trophy.
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Folks

There has been a lot of research put into this. The consultants report is comprehensive. If they can't get a retailer to buy in, the alternative of more houses but longer completion for the stadium is viable, if not ideal. Oxford United have had a 3-sided stadium for ages.

Lets just hope that the power brokers get on with the new stadium as soon as possible. The alternatives don't look good.

We should be supporting the new stadium not squabbling about detail.
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There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that that club would turn a profit in a new ground. Clubs that have made the best of a move have done it alongside major investment in the team.
The huge problem is that debt to directors and that it secures control over the club to the debtors. I'm sure that without those debts if the club was available somebody would take it on.
Surely though there has to be a third way, the fans raised over 100 grand last year to top up the budget, this created such positivity and a stake for the fans in the team, we are capable of 6k plus gates which in itself would be enough to maintain a side in this division. Why couldn't the fans run the club within its means? Op promotion proved that more stakeholders created more interest.
At the moment fans are divided because the club is a rich man's folly. Don't forget the people who are making these decisions on the building of a new ground are the same people who voted for the new EFL Trophy.


All valid points but until an investor prepared to pay off said 'rich man' appears on the horizon, a new stadium development headed by the current board is the best you're going to get. Who knows, a shiny new stadium might tempt a new investor more than what's currently on offer? Who knows what figure Mr Fenty might accept for his shares?
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There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that that club would turn a profit in a new ground. Clubs that have made the best of a move have done it alongside major investment in the team.
The huge problem is that debt to directors and that it secures control over the club to the debtors. I'm sure that without those debts if the club was available somebody would take it on.
Surely though there has to be a third way, the fans raised over 100 grand last year to top up the budget, this created such positivity and a stake for the fans in the team, we are capable of 6k plus gates which in itself would be enough to maintain a side in this division. Why couldn't the fans run the club within its means? Op promotion proved that more stakeholders created more interest.
At the moment fans are divided because the club is a rich man's folly. Don't forget the people who are making these decisions on the building of a new ground are the same people who voted for the new EFL Trophy.


There is plenty of evidence that we can't turn a profit in the current ground though. I'd be very surprised if the club hasn't looked into this in more detail than any of us and if it was such a bad idea, why are so many clubs getting and seeking new grounds?

I really can't believe the level of skepticism about a possible new ground from fans of the club.
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I read with interest the posts so far. But the time for discussing whether or not GTFC need a new stadium and the pros and cons, is about 23 years out of date. In fact the supporters of our club have probably broken a record for the carrying out due dilegence on wether this Town needs a new stadium. The time for debating the most appropriate site has also come to an end. Again about 23 years has been spent on that pursuit.
The debating needs to stop. Weve done it to death. If the club cannot get the backing of its own supporters then what chance will it have against the NIMBYS and naysayers (of which Grimsby would win a gold if NIMBYism was to be entered into the Olympics).
We all will have our point of views and we have had an eternity to voice these. But now is the time to back the club 100% as it will certainly need our backing and support if a new stadium will ever materialise in our lifetimes.UTMM.
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Again though - if there was bags of money to be made in hosting conferences in the area then someone would build a conference centre. Not a £20 million football stadium that can host conferences (except on a number of Saturdays and Tueadays).

The financial argument I can understand is selling what we have to then rent somewhere new. If we sell BP then we get some money in the bank, Fenty recoups some of his loan and then we pray to god then council, IKEA, sainsburys or someone pays for a new ground that we can rent from them. All seems incredibly short term thinking. If I was incredibly skint I may consider selling my house and then renting but it would be a last resort.

A community stadium means the club don't own it. We will be tenants.


If someone bought my house, which is falling down, full of damp has dodgy electrics and a touch of subsidence for £200k and in return they allowed me to rent a brand do shiny 5 bed house with double garage for £1 a month for the next 999 years I would bite their hand off wouldn't you?
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Quoted from heppy88
I read with interest the posts so far. But the time for discussing whether or not GTFC need a new stadium and the pros and cons, is about 23 years out of date. In fact the supporters of our club have probably broken a record for the carrying out due dilegence on wether this Town needs a new stadium. The time for debating the most appropriate site has also come to an end. Again about 23 years has been spent on that pursuit.
The debating needs to stop. Weve done it to death. If the club cannot get the backing of its own supporters then what chance will it have against the NIMBYS and naysayers (of which Grimsby would win a gold if NIMBYism was to be entered into the Olympics).
We all will have our point of views and we have had an eternity to voice these. But now is the time to back the club 100% as it will certainly need our backing and support if a new stadium will ever materialise in our lifetimes.UTMM.


I agree this is all self evident, the consultancy report is independent and robust what more could anyone reasonably ask for. Despite this I'm sure I'll be reading on here at some point over the coming months "has anybody thought of so and so field for a new stadium, as I was looking out my car window the other day and it looked perfect for a new stadium".
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If someone bought my house, which is falling down, full of damp has dodgy electrics and a touch of subsidence for £200k and in return they allowed me to rent a brand do shiny 5 bed house with double garage for £1 a month for the next 999 years I would bite their hand off wouldn't you?


If it was £1 a month for 999 years as you suggest it might be then so would I.


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There is plenty of evidence that we can't turn a profit in the current ground though. I'd be very surprised if the club hasn't looked into this in more detail than any of us and if it was such a bad idea, why are so many clubs getting and seeking new grounds?

I really can't believe the level of skepticism about a possible new ground from fans of the club.


Looking back at the performance of those who have run the club in recent history are you sure you can't believe people are sceptical? I'm not sure I would trust them to organise delivering a paper, let alone a fit for purpose football ground.
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Looking back at the performance of those who have run the club in recent history are you sure you can't believe people are sceptical? I'm not sure I would trust them to organise delivering a paper, let alone a fit for purpose football ground.


Maybe, but in the absence of Sheikh Mansoor, Roman Abramovich or even Peter Swann, they are probably as good as you're going to get.
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There's lots of talk about "soulless new grounds" on here, but why should a new ground have to be soulless?  There are loads of examples of brand new facilities in different European countries and in Major League Soccer in the US, where new grounds have had traditional features and atmosphere "designed-in" so that fans get the traditional experience but with up-to-date features.  

A new ground will be whatever we make it.  There'll be supporter input at the "requirements gathering" stage so if you want stands close to the pitch, tell them! If you want safe standing, tell them.  If you want steep stands, a gabled roof, loads of bars, more bogs, a better sound-system, then say so!

But all this is an argument for another day, and a nice one to have too.  What isn't in dispute is that if Town stay at BP, then the Main Stand will eventually burn down or be condemned and DeFreitas will see that BP loses its safety certificate.  The club will fold.
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I think the biggest frustration for me about us not getting the new ground while others around us have , is the question 'what if ' I mean who thaught before Hull , Swansea , Rotherham etc got there new stadiums that they would go through the leagues . I'm not saying we would but we won't realise what our potential is/isn't until we (if ever ) get that new ground  .
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You forgot the New Clee station, off Thorald Street.

New Clee train station to BP = 0.7 mile which is about 13 minutes, and you left out your access route from GY train station to proposed site because the 1.2 mile isn't for being on foot.


The days of the majority of fans travelling to games by train are long gone. Those who do usually find themselves  very well policed and certainly dont end up being given free rein to cause mayhem. I suspect we'd see something like Scunthorpes system of bussing fans from the station to the ground. Talk of hordes of hooligans rampaging through People's Park belongs in the Andrew De Freitas book of political points scoring.
It would be perfectly feasible for the club to liaise with Stagecoach to provide match day bus services for those fans not wishing/able to drive. There are loads of clubs who do so.
Peakes Parkway is almost slap bang in the middle of N.E. Lincs. The talk of the new ground adding to so called traffic chaos is massively over exaggerated. For those travelling from the villages south of the Parkway their journey would end at the new ground not as at present further into Town. Away fans coming off the A180 would be travelling in the opposite direction to the traffic mainly heading for the centre.
The issue with traffic using Weelsby Avenue could actually be alleviated with a sensibly planned road access system. Let's face it anyone having the misfortune of trying to exit Weelsby Ave after a well attended crem. funeral will be glad of such a move..


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To answer the points about conferences
1. There is certainly demand for conference facilities, large conferences pay thousands per day, scunthorpe are able to use their bar/restaurant areas and executive suites to cash in on this with employers in Grimsby actually travelling there. Town can't as the parking at Blundell park is insufficient to host them and the facilities for conferences themselves are not as good. Forest pines also charge huge sums for them.
2. I don't understand people saying how will we afford it - most of the money comes from the developers in return for being allowed to build houses and supermarket etc. That's the whole point
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23 years, still waiting. We get these little bits of news every few months but in reality we are still no nearer a new stadium.

Not gonna happen,  we move on.
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There's lots of talk about "soulless new grounds" on here, but why should a new ground have to be soulless?  There are loads of examples of brand new facilities in different European countries and in Major League Soccer in the US, where new grounds have had traditional features and atmosphere "designed-in" so that fans get the traditional experience but with up-to-date features.  

A new ground will be whatever we make it.  There'll be supporter input at the "requirements gathering" stage so if you want stands close to the pitch, tell them! If you want safe standing, tell them.  If you want steep stands, a gabled roof, loads of bars, more bogs, a better sound-system, then say so!

But all this is an argument for another day, and a nice one to have too.  What isn't in dispute is that if Town stay at BP, then the Main Stand will eventually burn down or be condemned and DeFreitas will see that BP loses its safety certificate.  The club will fold.


Having a say and getting others to act are two different things and miles apart.

The major shareholder was hugely successful by squeezing margins and at BP we have seen recently that every penny that can be saved will be saved. Not a bad strategy for many businesses but for a football club planning a new stadium?
More bars, more toilets, atmospheric roofs etc all cost a few more pounds.

Can you see us getting anything other than a flat pack style cheap box like stadium IF it happens at all?

I can't but what I need to decide is if that is better than a crumbling BP
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Well as some posters say.

I won't believe it until the building work has finished on it, even if building work start, it can soon stop again
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Quoted from HackneyHaddock
What isn't in dispute is that if Town stay at BP, then the Main Stand will eventually burn down or be condemned and DeFreitas will see that BP loses its safety certificate.  The club will fold.


I think that exact chain of events could well be disputed!





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Heard De Freitas on the radio today his main argument Being the cemetery, this cretin will do everything in his power to stop this from ever happening and seeing that he's on the planning committee he will get every opportunity.


Unfortunately, he never changes his tune.

If the stadium ever gets built at PP before I keel over, I'll make instructions, that for my funeral I'm seen off at the Crematorium and then everyone has a party in the conference suite at the new Blundell Park!

Stick that in your pipe DeFreitas.
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Quoted from heppy88
I read with interest the posts so far. But the time for discussing whether or not GTFC need a new stadium and the pros and cons, is about 23 years out of date. In fact the supporters of our club have probably broken a record for the carrying out due dilegence on wether this Town needs a new stadium. The time for debating the most appropriate site has also come to an end. Again about 23 years has been spent on that pursuit.
The debating needs to stop. Weve done it to death. If the club cannot get the backing of its own supporters then what chance will it have against the NIMBYS and naysayers (of which Grimsby would win a gold if NIMBYism was to be entered into the Olympics).
We all will have our point of views and we have had an eternity to voice these. But now is the time to back the club 100% as it will certainly need our backing and support if a new stadium will ever materialise in our lifetimes.UTMM.



Spot on ! This is a point I was trying to make in an earlier post but a certain poster couldn't grasp it !!


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Quoted from HackneyHaddock
if Town stay at BP, then the Main Stand will eventually burn down  


Maybe not a bad move (providing no one is in it of course) Bit of cash from the insurance (providing the person responsible hasn't forgotten to renew it like the drinks licence a few seasons back)

Also it would get us used to playing matches with less than 4 stands ready for the new stadium



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If the stadium ever gets built at PP before I keel over, I'll make instructions, that for my funeral I'm seen off at the Crematorium and then everyone has a party in the conference suite at the new Blundell Park!
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Perhaps they could call it the Crematorium Suite and the Pontoon could become the Allotments Stand.



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How is Peakes Parkway going to cope with all of the additional traffic that these 800+ houses are going to create?
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How is Peakes Parkway going to cope with all of the additional traffic that these 800+ houses are going to create?


You could have asked the same question about any of the proposed sites. I don't understand why fans of Grimsby Town Football Club come on here and try and knock this site or that site. Bloody hell, we've spent 23 years pissing about - let's get on with it and get the f**king thing built.
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How is Peakes Parkway going to cope with all of the additional traffic that these 800+ houses are going to create?


They're doing naff all to help traffic flow when these houses are built, they've come out with a disgraceful idea with replacing toll bar roundabout with lights, to somebody that uses roads a lot, traffic lights create more traffic than roundabouts, soon you'll not be able to move down that road, it's not rocket science is it?!


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It always seems dead when I go down there now since they put the money making speed cameras in.
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Having a say and getting others to act are two different things and miles apart.

The major shareholder was hugely successful by squeezing margins and at BP we have seen recently that every penny that can be saved will be saved. Not a bad strategy for many businesses but for a football club planning a new stadium?
More bars, more toilets, atmospheric roofs etc all cost a few more pounds.

Can you see us getting anything other than a flat pack style cheap box like stadium IF it happens at all?

I can't but what I need to decide is if that is better than a crumbling BP


I think there are a lot of us in that particular boat.

Lets imagine for one moment the new stadium actually gets the go ahead and we are planning a brand new stadium from scratch. We have not heard anything at all about design, and what the stadium is likely to include apart from the ubiquitous "community stadium" and "conference facilities."

Some might argue what is the point of discussing detail when we are still not assured of getting the new stadium, but I think it would make all the difference. You have to sell the project to the public and not just keep showing the 20 years out of date artists impression of the "old" new stadium. Lets have a vision, instead of the usual platitudes and get people excited!

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How is Peakes Parkway going to cope with all of the additional traffic that these 800+ houses are going to create?


It seems to cope alright with the many thousands that already use it every day, it's not like football traffic where it is used by many in a short space of time.

I agree with Codger           "let's get on with it and get the f**king thing built".



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Can't believe that image of a stadium is still getting used. A new drawing would make a big difference. As would safe standing or some mention of atmosphere. My biggest concern is that we get a two sided ground. Fans will stop going so it will never get finished.
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I wouldn't to care to much if just one stand was built to starts with at least we would have some kind of progress, more importantly it would be worth it just to see the look on councillor De Freitas face.


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Can't believe that image of a stadium is still getting used. A new drawing would make a big difference. As would safe standing or some mention of atmosphere. My biggest concern is that we get a two sided ground. Fans will stop going so it will never get finished.


My wife pointed out to me this morning that the Telegraph had put an image of the new stadium in today's edition, I had to point out that I had come across that image some time ago.



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How is Peakes Parkway going to cope with all of the additional traffic that these 800+ houses are going to create?


Highways development control will be formally consulted during the outline and full planning process. The council will ensure all the necessary traffic surveys and simulations take place and the developer will have to make any necessary adjustments to the roads and scheme. Let's just have a bit of faith in the professionals who on balance do an excellent job up and down the country with large scale projects.

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Can't believe that image of a stadium is still getting used. A new drawing would make a big difference. As would safe standing or some mention of atmosphere. My biggest concern is that we get a two sided ground. Fans will stop going so it will never get finished.


We can't have safe standing unfortunately. Thought this was common knowledge by now!
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You could have asked the same question about any of the proposed sites. I don't understand why fans of Grimsby Town Football Club come on here and try and knock this site or that site. Bloody hell, we've spent 23 years pissing about - let's get on with it and get the f**king thing built.


It's not a case of knocking the proposed site, it's a genuine question that anyone with any semblance of common sense would ask - the kind of question that people like De Freitas will be asking - and clearly the answer isn't 'who cares, just get on with building it'!  
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The biggest source of traffic in that area is Toll Bar. Unless they start opening on a Tuesday night or a Saturday afternoon then traffic shouldn't be as big an issue as some are making it.
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We can't have safe standing unfortunately. Thought this was common knowledge by now!


Perhaps not under current rules (though this is ambiguous), but this may well change by the time the new ground is built and will be more likely if clubs include it in their plans and make the case to the Secretary of State, who has the power to change the rules without an Act of Parliament.

On the other points, I agree that the club needs to come up with at least a conceptual design for not just the stadium, but the surrounds, community facilities and landscaping, and try to shift the debate towards development benefits for the area and start selling the project to 100,000 people rather than letting DeFreitarse and his few hundred moaners hold the town back.
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If the new stadium is built to last 100+ years and beyond, the traffic won't be an issue.  There's only enough oil reserves to last another 50 years, so the traffic issue won't be a problem, everyone whose on the planet then will have to stop being lazy twits! and use a bike or walk!  


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I reckon if everyone pulls their finger out the stadium will be fully built by 2028!
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My wife pointed out to me this morning that the Telegraph had put an image of the new stadium in today's edition, I had to point out that I had come across that image some time ago.



I get excited about the prospect of a new stadium too.  


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People panicking about the traffic, with a new stadium being built surely it is obvious that extra roads will be built, current road layouts changed all designed to help alleviate traffic, surely people don't think nothing will change in regards to the current roads?

I could imagine some possible street names now.

Peaks Parkway renamed as Warrington Way
New street called Sir John Fenty Avenue
Craig Disley Crescent
Hurst Street
Straker Road
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People panicking about the traffic, with a new stadium being built surely it is obvious that extra roads will be built, current road layouts changed all designed to help alleviate traffic, surely people don't think nothing will change in regards to the current roads?

I could imagine some possible street names now.

Peaks Parkway renamed as Warrington Way
New street called Sir John Fenty Avenue
Craig Disley Crescent
Hurst Street
Straker Road


Conference Crescent

Relegation Walk

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Quoted from Davec
People panicking about the traffic, with a new stadium being built surely it is obvious that extra roads will be built, current road layouts changed all designed to help alleviate traffic, surely people don't think nothing will change in regards to the current roads?

I could imagine some possible street names now.

Peaks Parkway renamed as Warrington Way
New street called Sir John Fenty Avenue
Craig Disley Crescent
Hurst Street
Straker Road


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I'm not so bothered about the design. If we end up with two stands start with, or a generic flat pack bowl like the keepmoat then so be it. Although it would be nice if the north facing stand was a bit higher than the others so we get a similar view to what we have with the upper fiindus


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For me a two sided stadium would be a disaster. It would be great if the council didn't take shortcuts for once and made a real go at a project. They're always so half hearted in everything they do, perhaps driven by finances? The outdoor "arena" is a prime example, they could have got something really decent there like they have at Scarborough but instead they've got this bizarre place that is practically useless. The Cartergate development is also dreadful and will look even worse in 10 years.

Codalmighty drive me mad with their negative nonsense about Fenty/Stadium/General moaning about the club and town, they seem to think they're above everyone BUT they do have a great point in that I just don't trust our council to make a good job of the stadium, the idea of only building 2 stands initially only solidifies this. It would look dreadful, just do it properly for once!


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I just hope that whatever gets built is a proper legacy and beneficial to the Town of Grimsby as a whole not just GTFC like many others though the previous short sightedness of the Council leaves me cold with dread.
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For me a two sided stadium would be a disaster. It would be great if the council didn't take shortcuts for once and made a real go at a project. They're always so half hearted in everything they do, perhaps driven by finances? The outdoor "arena" is a prime example, they could have got something really decent there like they have at Scarborough but instead they've got this bizarre place that is practically useless. The Cartergate development is also dreadful and will look even worse in 10 years.

Codalmighty drive me mad with their negative nonsense about Fenty/Stadium/General moaning about the club and town, they seem to think they're above everyone BUT they do have a great point in that I just don't trust our council to make a good job of the stadium, the idea of only building 2 stands initially only solidifies this. It would look dreadful, just do it properly for once!


If I remember correctly, when the new ground was first announced in 1995 there was a hint that it would only have two stands to start with.
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For me a two sided stadium would be a disaster. It would be great if the council didn't take shortcuts for once and made a real go at a project. They're always so half hearted in everything they do, perhaps driven by finances? The outdoor "arena" is a prime example, they could have got something really decent there like they have at Scarborough but instead they've got this bizarre place that is practically useless. The Cartergate development is also dreadful and will look even worse in 10 years.

Codalmighty drive me mad with their negative nonsense about Fenty/Stadium/General moaning about the club and town, they seem to think they're above everyone BUT they do have a great point in that I just don't trust our council to make a good job of the stadium, the idea of only building 2 stands initially only solidifies this. It would look dreadful, just do it properly for once!


I don't think the decision on a two or four stand stadium is within he council's gift, it's up to the board to put in place the finances to move forward with a scheme that is deliverable. The club firmly state in the report a preference for a single stage build, the council won't have any bearing on that. The two propals were to illustrate the likely benefits accrued by the town under two different scenarios.  I write infrastructure bids all the time and usually there are multiple different options appraised each with their own costs and benefits, so don't worry this is just standard process.

Obviously like most of you I'm hoping the club and developer can agree on a single phase build.

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We could have the floodlights on slanting poles so that they look like shipwrecks--or we could have the players showers where the water squirts out of the ground spasmodically--or we could have  all the walkways uneven so everybody trips over--or better still an uneven pitch where the players fall over--but dont worry they can always come back the next year to repair and then the next year to repair the repair--and then when repairs being carried out we could move back to guess where?
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Here's the thing I was looking at this website about football ground - (looking at going to Colchester) and I  noticed something interesting, if you look at League one and the Championship most of these clubs have new grounds. Many of their old grounds look like Blundell Park. You work your way down to League 2 and the conference the grounds look like Blundell Park, yes there are exceptions but the reality is if we want to get back to where we want to be we need a new ground.

If we don't in the long run we will become like York Yo -Yoing between League and conference football and frankly we deserve better than this.

http://www.footballgroundguide.com/leagues/old-british-football-grounds-and-stands.html
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But that's looking at it from a club fans objective. Doesn't mean it's the case that we should get a new ground because BP is knackered/not fit for purpose. Need a far better argument than that if it is to proceed. Fact is a WHOLE LOT of people need to be convinced, opinion turned around as they aren't fans of the club and see it as a bad move for the wrong reasons. Personally I think thats a problem, stemming from the top - that people are refusing to acknowledge other peoples opinions and just name them NIMBYS. It isn't the case at all. There's a lot of arguments to be won, even to just get a step along the line. I feel some are in for a shock as to the level of opposition there is/will be. (and no...before someone responds with the usual..I'm not against it - I just view things from both sides)


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But that's looking at it from a club fans objective. Doesn't mean it's the case that we should get a new ground because BP is knackered/not fit for purpose. Need a far better argument than that if it is to proceed. Fact is a WHOLE LOT of people need to be convinced, opinion turned around as they aren't fans of the club and see it as a bad move for the wrong reasons. Personally I think thats a problem, stemming from the top - that people are refusing to acknowledge other peoples opinions and just name them NIMBYS. It isn't the case at all. There's a lot of arguments to be won, even to just get a step along the line. I feel some are in for a shock as to the level of opposition there is/will be. (and no...before someone responds with the usual..I'm not against it - I just view things from both sides)


That's why we need to big up the report which suggests an expected gross value add of between £112 and £123 million to the area over the first ten years.

How many other local projects will bring in that sort of job and value investment into the area?

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Our fans like to sing about other towns being "a s***hole" at away games, but in all honesty, much of our town is a complete excrement hole, with a council who are happy for it to stay that way rather than show leadership.  There isn't much about a new football ground that could possibly make the area any worse.
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Quoted from marinerjase
But that's looking at it from a club fans objective. Doesn't mean it's the case that we should get a new ground because BP is knackered/not fit for purpose. Need a far better argument than that if it is to proceed. Fact is a WHOLE LOT of people need to be convinced, opinion turned around as they aren't fans of the club and see it as a bad move for the wrong reasons. Personally I think thats a problem, stemming from the top - that people are refusing to acknowledge other peoples opinions and just name them NIMBYS. It isn't the case at all. There's a lot of arguments to be won, even to just get a step along the line. I feel some are in for a shock as to the level of opposition there is/will be. (and no...before someone responds with the usual..I'm not against it - I just view things from both sides)


Quite possibly the best post on the thread IMO. It has all the hallmarks of an environmentalist campaign-green field site, nature disturbance, extra traffic...I could go on. I stood for the council last year with a pro-stadium stance in Park Ward and met tremendous opposition on the doorstep from people with valid arguments that quite simply the powers that be will need to listen to and go someway..a long way...to dealing with. The first step is to get it moved on so that actual plans can start to come together. Fingers crossed this happens next week. I have some sympathy with councillors on this. They are elected to represent the views of their constituents but they need to be prepared together with the officers of the football club to tell people what the long term gains are going to be.


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It's not all gains though. There are far more negatives which I  doubt can be overcome.  When you remove the councillors who cannot vote it leaves very little support for this project.
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Quoted from realist
It's not all gains though. There are far more negatives which I  doubt can be overcome.  When you remove the councillors who cannot vote it leaves very little support for this project.


It is about time this point was raised. Do you know exactly what the rules are? Obviously J.F. cannot vote but I'm not sure there are that many councillors these days who are regular supporters-unlike the times of Bovill and co. Ray Oxby aside I cannot think of too many Labour councillors and I'm aware of only one Tory who is/are regular supporters/season ticket holders
I've been presuming that each party will employ a whip system having decided amongst themselves what their party's stance should be.
If that were the case I'd expect UKIP and the Lib Dems to vote against and Labour and the Tories, who I believe have a pact to vote for.
I doubt greatly that there will be a free vote if such a thing exists at this level.
The other thing that interests me is exactly what the vote will be about. It's not a planning meeting. As far as I'm aware it is about allowing the project to move on to the planning stage having established Peaks Parkway as the intended site.


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Quite possibly the best post on the thread IMO. It has all the hallmarks of an environmentalist campaign-green field site, nature disturbance, extra traffic...I could go on. I stood for the council last year with a pro-stadium stance in Park Ward and met tremendous opposition on the doorstep from people with valid arguments that quite simply the powers that be will need to listen to and go someway..a long way...to dealing with. The first step is to get it moved on so that actual plans can start to come together. Fingers crossed this happens next week. I have some sympathy with councillors on this. They are elected to represent the views of their constituents but they need to be prepared together with the officers of the football club to tell people what the long term gains are going to be.


Excuse me if I'm being thick here. Why can the likes of Colchester, Scunthorpe, Rotherham, Doncaster, Chesterfield, even Boston get a new stadium yet Nimsby Town can't convince the locals 23 years on. Every one of these clubs are/have been at our level - every flipping one and we're still inventing reasons why ours won't happen. What is it? All of these stadia have had problems to overcome, why can't we?
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It's not all gains though. There are far more negatives which I  doubt can be overcome.  When you remove the councillors who cannot vote it leaves very little support for this project.


How do you know there are negatives nobody has seen the planning application yet. Or do you mean just in general a new stadium is a bad thing?
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Because the club has no money and relies on developers to fund it. Thry in turn want a prime site to maximise their profits. Unfortunately these sites are unsuitable for football stadium and the large scale development required.  If the club had been run better it might have been able to go a more independent route with less objections.
i think this will be pointless though because with the current business and football management teams we will be back in the conference next year
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Excuse me if I'm being thick here. Why can the likes of Colchester, Scunthorpe, Rotherham, Doncaster, Chesterfield, even Boston get a new stadium yet Nimsby Town can't convince the locals 23 years on. Every one of these clubs are/have been at our level - every flipping one and we're still inventing reasons why ours won't happen. What is it? All of these stadia have had problems to overcome, why can't we?


For the sake of balance Brighton were almost longer and had to play some of their football in Gillingham before they got agreement. Liverpool met solid resistance to their proposed new stadium (since shelved I believe).
However I'm not disagreeing for once. Hopefully the people within our council tasked with making this happen will talk to their counterparts at these other places. I know I would...


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Not all the sites are unsuitable though Peaks Parkway passed the sequential test.
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Swansea mariner. If you live in Wales get lost.  This proposal will have profound effects on locals. It is so easy for you to spout garbage and be inaffected by the outcome
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Because the club has no money and relies on developers to fund it. Thry in turn want a prime site to maximise their profits. Unfortunately these sites are unsuitable for football stadium and the large scale development required.  If the club had been run better it might have been able to go a more independent route with less objections.
i think this will be pointless though because with the current business and football management teams we will be back in the conference next year


So have lots of the other clubs. Best example I can think of was Bolton.

Mind you I should have known this was just another excuse to have a go at the club..


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I am totally in favour of a new stadium but at the right location. This one isnt it
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I don't need an excuse to  have a go it is my opinion of way things have gone.  But lets br honest i eould be totally justified for having a go at the club for any of its decisions over the last decade
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Folks

I am sorry, but this is not a perfect world.

You have the choice..... wait for the perfect choice at Great Coates....... or accept what's on offer.

If you are in need of a heart transplant to survive, you accept what's on offer NOW!
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Where is the correct site then, that everybody else has missed Realist? Nothing else that exists is suitable the independent consults verified this.
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Realist, where would you put the new ground and how would that be financed?

I'm genuinely interested, as I would really love to see the ground in the Town centre and enabling the redevelopment of the centre or somewhere like Freeman Street.  It would be accessible by public transport and on foot/bike.  

The problem I have is that I'm not sure how all that is possible in a way that gets the developer investment.  Is it possible to physically de-couple the stadium and retail/residential development so a developer can still get land and we still get a ground, just not at the same place?
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Swansea mariner. If you live in Wales get lost.  This proposal will have profound effects on locals. It is so easy for you to spout garbage and be inaffected by the outcome


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Although a lot of what he says is from experience, if you read his posts  .

and are you councillor De Fritarse


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I live very close to the proposed site and am very much in favour. I much prefer PP to Freemo or the docks.

I think it gives the area a chance to build something special for our children and grandchildren, something we can be proud of. New housing, new sporting facilities for the community, new jobs & a new ground for GTFC,

Ideal place within easy walking and cycling distance of huge numbers of people in NE Lincs.

Don't believe everyone in Park Ward is against, many are in favour especially those who don't swallow DeFrietas's propaganda
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Unfortunately Hackney even if you decouple the enabling development from the community stadium, Freeman street is still to small (3.24 hecters short) without additional compusory land takes, which are held my multiple ownerships. That's what the consults call a baseline development, which is not a functional stadium as there is no circulation or drainage space included. So we cannot get even the most basic development in there it virtually impossible.
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One thing I couldn't see explained anywhere in the report was why we have to have everything co-located. e.g the five training pitches. Obviously it's ideal to have them close by but not essential.

The other thing is the enabling development. Couldn't this be done in one location and the ground in another?


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I am totally in favour of a new stadium but at the right location. This one isnt it


Is that an opinion? Is it because its location will affect you? Because it certainly isn't a fact.
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Almost 100% of the population of NE Lincs lives within three miles of the proposed site.  If designed properly, there's no reason why a good chunk of the supporters shouldn't arrive by public transport or under their own steam.

As for noise, I live 800 yards from the Olympic stadium and on Sunday when West Ham played their first home game of the season, I could barely hear a thing.  That was with 50,000 people.  People in Grimsby who think 5-10,000 are somehow going to destroy civilisation or wake up the dead at the cemetery, are frankly living on another planet.
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Folks

I am sorry, but this is not a perfect world.

You have the choice..... wait for the perfect choice at Great Coates....... or accept what's on offer.

If you are in need of a heart transplant to survive, you accept what's on offer NOW!


I'm not sure Great Coates was ever the perfect choice, out of town is pants.
The idea that the club needs a new stadium immediately or it will cease to exist is a nonsense.
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I'm not sure Great Coates was ever the perfect choice, out of town is pants.
The idea that the club needs a new stadium immediately or it will cease to exist is a nonsense.


How long do you want us to wait? Another 23 years? Wait till Scunny get their 3rd new stadium?
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It is about time this point was raised. Do you know exactly what the rules are? Obviously J.F. cannot vote but I'm not sure there are that many councillors these days who are regular supporters-unlike the times of Bovill and co. Ray Oxby aside I cannot think of too many Labour councillors and I'm aware of only one Tory who is/are regular supporters/season ticket holders
I've been presuming that each party will employ a whip system having decided amongst themselves what their party's stance should be.
If that were the case I'd expect UKIP and the Lib Dems to vote against and Labour and the Tories, who I believe have a pact to vote for.
I doubt greatly that there will be a free vote if such a thing exists at this level.
The other thing that interests me is exactly what the vote will be about. It's not a planning meeting. As far as I'm aware it is about allowing the project to move on to the planning stage having established Peaks Parkway as the intended site.


I might be wrong, but I was under the impression the council generally voted for the recommendations of the planning committee. If they go against the planning committee, then they are left open to appeals and they generally lose. Like lose nearly every single time. It isn't the councillors you have to convince, its the planning committee and they base their case on facts.
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One thing I couldn't see explained anywhere in the report was why we have to have everything co-located. e.g the five training pitches. Obviously it's ideal to have them close by but not essential.

The other thing is the enabling development. Couldn't this be done in one location and the ground in another?


Probably one of the most interesting points I've read. I wonder whether it has ever been considered. You can build the stadium there if the enabling development takes place in another area or areas in the Borough that are in urgent need of regeneration. I guess the retail price of housing wouldn't be as high on a non-greenfield site, therefore reducing the attractiveness to potential developers.
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How long do you want us to wait? Another 23 years? Wait till Scunny get their 3rd new stadium?


I'd love us to have a new ground, I'd just like us to have one that is not shite. Any build that sees us with missing sides of a ground for up to 8 years should be a definite no.
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I'd love us to have a new ground, I'd just like us to have one that is not shite. Any build that sees us with missing sides of a ground for up to 8 years should be a definite no.


Imagine if after all this time we get a brand new stadium that we... all detest because it has been done on the cheap or in a half hearted way.

We either get a beautifully designed, bang up to date stadium that will be a credit to the generations of fans and indeed players that will use it or not bother.

We will only have one chance at the new stadium which will last for decades so we need to get it as near perfect as we can. Something very similar to the Rotherham stadium should be the minimum to aim at I reckon.  
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One thing I couldn't see explained anywhere in the report was why we have to have everything co-located. e.g the five training pitches. Obviously it's ideal to have them close by but not essential.

The other thing is the enabling development. Couldn't this be done in one location and the ground in another?


Your point is the sort of thing that is so obvious, I wonder if it has been considered or overlooked or discounted? In that scenario the space for the stadium alone would perhaps bring other sites into consideration previously declined due to lack of acreage.

I suppose the experts involved must have thought of things like this.
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I might be wrong, but I was under the impression the council generally voted for the recommendations of the planning committee. If they go against the planning committee, then they are left open to appeals and they generally lose. Like lose nearly every single time. It isn't the councillors you have to convince, its the planning committee and they base their case on facts.


I dont think you are wrong but I think next weeks meeting is about ratifying the site. There are no physical plans to put before a planning committee yet. If the council vote to agree with the recommendations of the report the planning will start in earnest...


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I can only recall 3 teams we have played against with grounds having 3 sides, Bournemouth, Newport and Oxford. But, with the possibility of the club BUILDING only 2 sides, could they look at the possibility of having (permanent) temporary seating if necessary? I also presume, like I guess many others are, that the 2 stands outlined would run along the sides of the pitch leaving both areas behind the goal empty?


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I live very close to the proposed site and am very much in favour. I much prefer PP to Freemo or the docks.

I think it gives the area a chance to build something special for our children and grandchildren, something we can be proud of. New housing, new sporting facilities for the community, new jobs & a new ground for GTFC,

Ideal place within easy walking and cycling distance of huge numbers of people in NE Lincs.

Don't believe everyone in Park Ward is against, many are in favour especially those who don't swallow DeFrietas's propaganda


THIS

I am also in this area and believe me DeFreitas is full of BS he came around for signatures opposing the ground and when I told him I was for it and wanted him to give me the sheet to register my support he visibly turned purple with rage.The rights and wrongs of location I am afraid sit with the Council past and present they are the ones who quite rightly wanted to identify the best possible site in terms of feasibility and as I understand it that is now deemed PP? A new ground if done right should benefit the Town and NE Lincs for years to come and forget a football ground this needs to be a community stadium that earns money 7 days a week that`s the key. Anything that brings jobs and investment to this area should be grabbed with both hands GET ON WITH IT.
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It's not all gains though. There are far more negatives which I  doubt can be overcome.  When you remove the councillors who cannot vote it leaves very little support for this project.


Only because people like yourself put obstacles in the way without offering any solution Mr Defreitas
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Swansea mariner. If you live in Wales get lost.  This proposal will have profound effects on locals. It is so easy for you to spout garbage and be inaffected by the outcome


So easy to chuck millions of pounds of local taxpayers money into Icelandic banks without them knowing and losing it all.......................
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Only because people like yourself put obstacles in the way without offering any solution Mr Defreitas


And defeatists also needs to realise that opportunities for many people on HIS ward would be created through employment. It's not about the short term loss but the long term gain


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So…..
We build the stadium only at Garth Lane. The council owned sections of the site are big enough for a stadium and putting it there solves a brownfield site problem for them. The “give me a stadium with character in a great location” PP naysayers get their temple to replace BP and can walk to the town centre pubs etc. The stadium conference facilities and bars/food etc will have business seven days a week.

We put the enabling development at Peaks Parkway. Nobody has to worry about the barbarian hordes gatecrashing funerals etc every two weeks so there are fewer objections to the planning application.

The pitches and GTSET facilities etc will be an attractive selling point for the houses in the development. Developer will be happy because house prices will probably be higher because there won’t be a football ground with the (misperceived) threat of the aforementioned hordes. And they can build more of them without the stadium footprint and parking. The bus station and train station are convenient for Garth Lane but parking might not be – a park and ride can go in PP to relieve matchday traffic in the town centre.

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THIS

I am also in this area and believe me DeFreitas is full of BS he came around for signatures opposing the ground and when I told him I was for it and wanted him to give me the sheet to register my support he visibly turned purple with rage.The rights and wrongs of location I am afraid sit with the Council past and present they are the ones who quite rightly wanted to identify the best possible site in terms of feasibility and as I understand it that is now deemed PP? A new ground if done right should benefit the Town and NE Lincs for years to come and forget a football ground this needs to be a community stadium that earns money 7 days a week that`s the key. Anything that brings jobs and investment to this area should be grabbed with both hands GET ON WITH IT.


Couldn't agree more because at the time the club were looking for new sites even before peaks parkway was even mooted, I used to go for a run around weelsby woods and part of my route would take me over the parkway bridge, to what could only be described as waste ground nothing happening nothing growing I don't even recall seeing a dog on there. but I remembered thinking this area is just the perfect location for a new stadium this area is crying out to be developed and I even put a post on the fishy saying we should build the stadium here, I'm just pleased the club see my post😊


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So…..
We build the stadium only at Garth Lane. The council owned sections of the site are big enough for a stadium and putting it there solves a brownfield site problem for them. The “give me a stadium with character in a great location” PP naysayers get their temple to replace BP and can walk to the town centre pubs etc. The stadium conference facilities and bars/food etc will have business seven days a week.

We put the enabling development at Peaks Parkway. Nobody has to worry about the barbarian hordes gatecrashing funerals etc every two weeks so there are fewer objections to the planning application.

The pitches and GTSET facilities etc will be an attractive selling point for the houses in the development. Developer will be happy because house prices will probably be higher because there won’t be a football ground with the (misperceived) threat of the aforementioned hordes. And they can build more of them without the stadium footprint and parking. The bus station and train station are convenient for Garth Lane but parking might not be – a park and ride can go in PP to relieve matchday traffic in the town centre.

Happy fans
Happy Fenty
Happy council
Happy developer
Happy nimbys

Unhappy ?



In an ideal world a dockside position would be great, kind of iconic. Unfortunately Garth Lane is not big enough even for just a functional stadium. The report says that the baseline requirement for a stadium is 2.82 ha, excluding the enabling development and the five pitches, this does not make a functional development, this is just the space for the buildings. To have a functional site with circulation space, parking and public transport interchanges you need to add on an additional 6.5 ha. This totals 9.32 ha to have a workable community stadium. Even then this is subject to additional site specific land requirements for drainage, nobody knows how much additional land this will require until they do the site investigation surveys.

Garth Lane is just 2.5 ha so way too small for any sort of development, this is why the consultants correctly discounted it in the fist place (only to be asked to look at it again by the Council). Unfortunately no matter how many times you look at it, it a'int getting any bigger.
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In an ideal world a dockside position would be great, kind of iconic. Unfortunately Garth Lane is not big enough even for just a functional stadium. The report says that the baseline requirement for a stadium is 2.82 ha, excluding the enabling development and the five pitches, this does not make a functional development, this is just the space for the buildings. To have a functional site with circulation space, parking and public transport interchanges you need to add on an additional 6.5 ha. This totals 9.32 ha to have a workable community stadium. Even then this is subject to additional site specific land requirements for drainage, nobody knows how much additional land this will require until they do the site investigation surveys.

Garth Lane is just 2.5 ha so way too small for any sort of development, this is why the consultants correctly discounted it in the fist place (only to be asked to look at it again by the Council). Unfortunately no matter how many times you look at it, it a'int getting any bigger.


The 2.82 ha is based upon the design for Great Cotes which is now dated and wasn't designed with the limitations that Garth Lane might present. Chesterfields and Wycombes stadiums would fit into 2.82 ha for example. Most of the 6.5 ha you mention is for 3G pitches which could be located at PP. As for the Car Parking and circulation space, Garth Lane presents very different challenges to PP, which a good design and a few careful land acquisitions might solve.

Some vision beyond the closed road to PP is needed.
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So…..
We build the stadium only at Garth Lane. The council owned sections of the site are big enough for a stadium and putting it there solves a brownfield site problem for them. The “give me a stadium with character in a great location” PP naysayers get their temple to replace BP and can walk to the town centre pubs etc. The stadium conference facilities and bars/food etc will have business seven days a week.

We put the enabling development at Peaks Parkway. Nobody has to worry about the barbarian hordes gatecrashing funerals etc every two weeks so there are fewer objections to the planning application.

The pitches and GTSET facilities etc will be an attractive selling point for the houses in the development. Developer will be happy because house prices will probably be higher because there won’t be a football ground with the (misperceived) threat of the aforementioned hordes. And they can build more of them without the stadium footprint and parking. The bus station and train station are convenient for Garth Lane but parking might not be – a park and ride can go in PP to relieve matchday traffic in the town centre.

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If that was feasible then why move ground at all ? Why not develop BP and have the enabling development some where else ? The reason is we would still have a ground that would only be income streaming for the season and hardly raising any income for the rest of the time. For a project of this kind to work it all has to be in one location. All the amenities , especially car parking, are together and they can be used by all parties using the complex.


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Could a PP development incorporate some running track/ athletic facilities so releasing King George stadium for housing development. Also can one of the 3G pitches be made suitable for hockey. An indoor area for gymnastics/ judo etc. Just bearing in mind the impact of the Olympics and the need to provide an opportunity for local young people the have good facilities to develop their skills in a range of sports.
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The 2.82 ha is based upon the design for Great Cotes which is now dated and wasn't designed with the limitations that Garth Lane might present. Chesterfields and Wycombes stadiums would fit into 2.82 ha for example. Most of the 6.5 ha you mention is for 3G pitches which could be located at PP. As for the Car Parking and circulation space, Garth Lane presents very different challenges to PP, which a good design and a few careful land acquisitions might solve.

Some vision beyond the closed road to PP is needed.


No the 6.5 ha I'm referring to is for the functional additions. The pitches are another 3.71 ha which , if you include them brings the total to 13.03 ha.

I excluded the pitches as I guess you could reasonably put them anywhere, which is not really the case for parking and circulation though.

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No the 6.5 ha I'm referring to is for the functional additions. The pitches are another 3.71 ha which , if you include them brings the total to 13.03 ha.

I excluded the pitches as I guess you could reasonably put them anywhere, which is not really the case for parking and circulation though.



Yes, I see the 6.5 now. Thats for a circulation space for pedestrians, a public transport interchange, car parking and street sports facilities. Very different in a town centre location and Garth Lane in particular to Great Cotes or PP. For starters its walking distance from GT rail and bus stations.

The extended site as far as Corporation road runs to 7.5 Ha, some of that could be acquired.
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Yes, I see the 6.5 now. Thats for a circulation space for pedestrians, a public transport interchange, car parking and street sports facilities. Very different in a town centre location and Garth Lane in particular to Great Cotes or PP. For starters its walking distance from GT rail and bus stations.

The extended site as far as Corporation road runs to 7.5 Ha, some of that could be acquired.


Yeah the report acknowledges the possibility for extension, but also identifies severe financial implications due to the options held by Henry Boot Ltd. Their wording 'severe' suggests financially prohibitive. I'm assuming they know the figure but probably can't release it as its commercially sensitive.

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Yeah the report acknowledges the possibility for extension, but also identifies severe financial implications due to the options held by Henry Boot Ltd. Their wording 'severe' suggests financially prohibitive. I'm assuming they know the figure but probably can't release it as its commercially sensitive.



Maybe Henry would fancy a nice plot near Waltham instead and a opportunity to quote for building a stadium
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We must have a stadium with 4 sides to start with,

Extra seating can be added upwards at a later date,

Having the new site nearer to Suffolk saves me a bit of mileage,

So PP is a plus for me

Another plus is I have BP on my garden gate that can easily be changed to PP without much bother. .


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Your point is the sort of thing that is so obvious, I wonder if it has been considered or overlooked or discounted? In that scenario the space for the stadium alone would perhaps bring other sites into consideration previously declined due to lack of acreage.

I suppose the experts involved must have thought of things like this.


I think I must have read it on the hated Cod Almighty  

Garth Lane does look very tight, even without the ancillary stuff. Not sure why it would need a carpark though. There seems to be a lot around the wider Top Town area.

There were land acquisition issues too. The council owned plot is a bit the wrong shape to fit even just the ground in. But where there's a will......


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I think I must have read it on the hated Cod Almighty  

Garth Lane does look very tight, even without the ancillary stuff. Not sure why it would need a carpark though. There seems to be a lot around the wider Top Town area.

There were land acquisition issues too. The council owned plot is a bit the wrong shape to fit even just the ground in. But where there's a will......


I can only assume you've never had the "joy" of queueing on a normal Saturday for the car parks in Top Town. Add upwards of another 1000 to that and present car parking would be woefully inadequate. The car parks near B and M and Sainsbury's are customer only and are monitored. I suspect if it were a realistic possibility we would all like a stadium with full development in Top Town but it is a "romantic" pipe dream. The traffic chaos on match days would be unimaginable. Thanks to the new one-way system it took the bus I was on SEVENTEEN minutes to get from the bottom of the bridge at the back of St James church to the turning point on the approach to the bus terminus and that was mid morning on a Friday. It's Peakes Parkway or nowt and the council have just paid good money for EXPERTS to confirm that..


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I can only assume you've never had the "joy" of queueing on a normal Saturday for the car parks in Top Town. Add upwards of another 1000 to that and present car parking would be woefully inadequate. The car parks near B and M and Sainsbury's are customer only and are monitored. I suspect if it were a realistic possibility we would all like a stadium with full development in Top Town but it is a "romantic" pipe dream. The traffic chaos on match days would be unimaginable. Thanks to the new one-way system it took the bus I was on SEVENTEEN minutes to get from the bottom of the bridge at the back of St James church to the turning point on the approach to the bus terminus and that was mid morning on a Friday. It's Peakes Parkway or nowt and the council have just paid good money for EXPERTS to confirm that..


The fact that Codalmighty endorse Garth Lane as a realistic site for the stadium just proves to me how ridiculous they are. Anything Fenty suggests they'll find a way of opposing it. Access to a new stadium via Alexandra Road? Really? The site is absolutely tiny, there's no room for parking. Say what you like about people getting a park and ride but it's just a hassle. I want to be able to drive to the football easily, I don't want it to take up anymore of my day than it already does so the idea of driving to a bus station, then waiting for the bus, riding it to the ground and the same on the return does not appeal. Why are people so opposed to the Parkway site? I really don't see what the problem is.


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Why are so many exiles against PP? Do you really think your wives will be happy being told they can go around Freshney Place while you're at Garth Lane stadium?
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The fact that Codalmighty endorse Garth Lane as a realistic site for the stadium just proves to me how ridiculous they are. Anything Fenty suggests they'll find a way of opposing it. Access to a new stadium via Alexandra Road? Really? The site is absolutely tiny, there's no room for parking. Say what you like about people getting a park and ride but it's just a hassle. I want to be able to drive to the football easily, I don't want it to take up anymore of my day than it already does so the idea of driving to a bus station, then waiting for the bus, riding it to the ground and the same on the return does not appeal. Why are people so opposed to the Parkway site? I really don't see what the problem is.


You know they aren't thinking of practical applications when they say things like that. It's more like "Right next door to the Telegraph,Docks and the Heritage Centre. Good old local institutions! A local site for local people!" Already being on a main bus route be damned what we need is a local stadium for local people.
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The fact that Codalmighty endorse Garth Lane as a realistic site for the stadium just proves to me how ridiculous they are. Anything Fenty suggests they'll find a way of opposing it. Access to a new stadium via Alexandra Road? Really? The site is absolutely tiny, there's no room for parking. Say what you like about people getting a park and ride but it's just a hassle. I want to be able to drive to the football easily, I don't want it to take up anymore of my day than it already does so the idea of driving to a bus station, then waiting for the bus, riding it to the ground and the same on the return does not appeal. Why are people so opposed to the Parkway site? I really don't see what the problem is.


The latest effort from Cod Almighty explains their view a bit more.

http://codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=5955

They make some valid points and I worry that JF is desperate to get us into any site that will have us. I always remember after the Great Coates site fell through he was quoted as saying "I used to lay in bed at night worrying how we would get people out to Great Coates." That was after putting a small fortune into the project.

I think most would agree that a town centre site fed by improved public transport would be preferable. For those wondering about congestion 52,000 go to St James' Park in the centre of Newcastle once a fortnight without too many problems. The question is can the club survive long enough to wait for a better option?
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Personally I don't think it's just the club that needs to worry about surviving. The local community (business' etc) should also be VERY worried if the club ever, heaven forbid, ceased to exist.

This is where the 'realism' has to sink in. 5000 being brought  into town every other week is a hell of a lot of money to many business'. Or are business owners thinking that they will still have the same amount of expenditure? I know that many of these business', especially those in the direct vicinity of the ground, DO rely on the footfall created by the club. This then knocks on to staff that are employed as a direct impact felt by the extra people brought in for the games.


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The latest effort from Cod Almighty explains their view a bit more.

http://codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=5955

They make some valid points and I worry that JF is desperate to get us into any site that will have us. I always remember after the Great Coates site fell through he was quoted as saying "I used to lay in bed at night worrying how we would get people out to Great Coates." That was after putting a small fortune into the project.

I think most would agree that a town centre site fed by improved public transport would be preferable. For those wondering about congestion 52,000 go to St James' Park in the centre of Newcastle once a fortnight without too many problems. The question is can the club survive long enough to wait for a better option?


The Fenty hating cod sound like the bitter EU remainers there is no point in waffling on about what could be because it's not going to happen, after 20 odd years or so we all just want the dam thing built now, the decision has been made and we now seem to have more than a glimmer of hope this could actually come to fruition so it's time we all showed some solidarity and backed the club and the councils soon decision.


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Quoted from Vance Warner


The latest effort from Cod Almighty explains their view a bit more.

http://codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=5955

They make some valid points and I worry that JF is desperate to get us into any site that will have us. I always remember after the Great Coates site fell through he was quoted as saying "I used to lay in bed at night worrying how we would get people out to Great Coates." That was after putting a small fortune into the project.

I think most would agree that a town centre site fed by improved public transport would be preferable. For those wondering about congestion 52,000 go to St James' Park in the centre of Newcastle once a fortnight without too many problems. The question is can the club survive long enough to wait for a better option?


Sorry but not all of us fall for the Cod Almighty rehetoric & propaganda ( the exact same thing they accuse Fenty of!)
Now I am no fan of our major shareholder in any shape or form BUT CA writers are as arrogant and have absolutely no reason to be so!

I think a Garth Lane, Town centre option would be terrible, the parking/travel issues they accuse PP of causing would be multiplied 100 times over. Shoppers and football fans don't mix well.

CA come across as idealistic liberal exiles with rose tinted glasses about NE Lincs.

We should keep our heritage by preserving Town centre areas, our heritage on the docks etc not build a sparky new stadium there. Build that on the park way and kick start NE Lincs where the modern can live in addition to our historic buildings NOT instead of
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The Fenty hating cod sound like the bitter EU remainers there is no point in waffling on about what could be because it's not going to happen, after 20 odd years or so we all just want the dam thing built now, the decision has been made and we now seem to have more than a glimmer of hope this could actually come to fruition so it's time we all showed some solidarity and backed the club and the councils soon decision.


Sometimes this phrase 'Fenty hating' is a little bit tiresome. Just because people disagree with/don't like what someone has done doesn't mean they hate said person.

I disagree with/don't like several things JF has done since he's owned the majority of GTFC - that doesn't mean I don't respect the fact that he has done his best to keep the football club going and he has clearly put his heart & soul into the stadium project.

NELC have spent a lot of money checking out the various sites - they've come to the conclusion that PP is the way to go. As GTFC fans, first and foremost, we should now accept that and run with it. If John Fenty says that the club's financial future depends on a new stadium, then run with that too because none of us are in a position to do any different, even if we wanted to.
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I  enjoy reading Codalmighty but I'm not really sure what they are trying to achieve here. Frankly anyone can string together an unlikely chain of events and say well I can conceive of this therefore it should be an option. But it's not practical or likely though is it, the problems with the dock look endless, it's contaminated, it's on a flood plane, it's an irregular shape, it's too small, it bound on one side by listed buildings, it's bound on the other by a financially prohibitive site option, it has access issues. But guess what we can put the pitches somewhere else, we  don't need any parking, we can alter the design to change the shape of the stadium and minimise the circulation requirements. Guess what.we end up with an oppressive bare bones stadium shoe horned onto the site, and it cost a fortune to build it. But hey ho that's an option.
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If the CA don't hate Fenty they have a funny way of showing it, they are like one of those snappy little dogs all bark and no bite the annoying kind that just don't give up the kind you just want to stand on.

They constanly spin the same old tired record the " the stadium is a Fenty vanity project, fenty dome" blah blah blah blah.

Fenty can have his head carved in the brickwork Mount Rushmore style for all I care if it means we leave the lost in time relic of BP.


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If the CA don't hate Fenty they have a funny way of showing it, they are like one of those snappy little dogs all bark and no bite the annoying kind that just don't give up the kind you just want to stand on.

They constanly spin the same old tired record the " the stadium is a Fenty vanity project, fenty dome" blah blah blah blah.

Fenty can have his head carved in the brickwork Mount Rushmore style for all I care if it means we leave the lost in time relic of BP.


You and Old Codger are absolutely right everyone needs to try to separate Fenty and the stadium in our minds if we stand any chance of being objective. This Fenty dome nonsense you'd have thought he'd of written this report not independent experts.

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I think Cod Almighty are being incredibly idealistic. A town centre stadium would be great, but at some point you have to start being pragmatic and accept that the financial, political and legal hurdles on the path to it are too high. Recent Diary and twitter posts from them seem to infer that the independent report is some sort of Fenty / NE Lincs Council whitewash which was always going to recommend Peaks Parkway. I'm no great fan of Fenty but when you start digging in to the 400+ pages it becomes pretty clear why Peaks Parkway is the only feasible option.

Cod Almighty seem to believe we're operating in an environment where the club can continue to exist at Blundell Park indefinitely while we spend a decade trying to get a new stadium built at the docks, but that's patently not the case when the club's accounts show we're hemorrhaging money at Blundell Park. Their response to that is there's apparently no evidence that we'll make more money at a new stadium. Seems pretty obvious to me (conference facilities / bigger hospitality facilities / more bars & catering outlets / hiring out 4G pitches etc), but just feels like they want to argue for the sake of it because they won't be able to go have a pint at the Rutland before watching town anymore


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You and Old Codger are absolutely right everyone needs to try to separate Fenty and the stadium in our minds if we stand any chance of being objective. This Fenty dome nonsense you'd have thought he'd of written this report not independent experts.



It's also worth noting that the concept and initial work done in moving from BP was carried out before JF became involved with the club.


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It's also worth noting that the concept and initial work done in moving from BP was carried out before JF became involved with the club.


Absolutely. Just shows how long it's dragged on.
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just feels like they want to argue for the sake of it because they won't be able to go have a pint at the Rutland before watching town anymore


Why won't they?



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Why won't they?



Exactly have a pint there and then get the bus over or cycle (they seem to love the idea of ecosensitive travel) to the Parkway.

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I really don't understand this criticism of Cod Almighty.
Surely everyone is entitled to their opinion (although it often feels like they aren't on here)
The opposing view, which so many here don't agree with, is posted on their own site, not on here, so why the  constant digs?


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I really don't understand this criticism of Cod Almighty.
Surely everyone is entitled to their opinion (although it often feels like they aren't on here)
The opposing view, which so many here don't agree with, is posted on their own site, not on here, so why the  constant digs?


Why does there have to be a 'right' or a 'wrong'? As far as I can see, CA have decided they would like to see a stadium in the town centre - it's not going to happen, NELC and their consultants have decided on PP, now let's move on, get our arses in gear and back the construction of a new stadium and new future for GTFC. Of course, it won't be what everyone wants but ultimately, it's been decided that it's the best way forward.

What CA appear to be saying, and I've said before myself, is that they don't want a new stadium to be JF's legacy to the club as a kind of vanity project. So what? What has happened has happened, decisions have been made that haven't worked out, Mr Fenty has admitted as much. We will all have our own view about Mr Fenty's reign at the club - maybe some will see a new stadium as his legacy, others might think of flags, flasks or failure. Whatever we all think, we need to back the stadium and the team, the club's future is more important than its' past.
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Why does there have to be a 'right' or a 'wrong'? As far as I can see, CA have decided they would like to see a stadium in the town centre - it's not going to happen, NELC and their consultants have decided on PP, now let's move on, get our arses in gear and back the construction of a new stadium and new future for GTFC. Of course, it won't be what everyone wants but ultimately, it's been decided that it's the best way forward.

What CA appear to be saying, and I've said before myself, is that they don't want a new stadium to be JF's legacy to the club as a kind of vanity project. So what? What has happened has happened, decisions have been made that haven't worked out, Mr Fenty has admitted as much. We will all have our own view about Mr Fenty's reign at the club - maybe some will see a new stadium as his legacy, others might think of flags, flasks or failure. Whatever we all think, we need to back the stadium and the team, the club's future is more important than its' past.


I don't think there has to be a 'right or wrong' its just that the Fishy posters always think they are right and CA wrong

But I still don't see what damage CAs opposition to the PP site can do, its purely their opinion, unless of course they side with the objectors when planning permission, plans etc come up for review or inquiry.

I don't think CA have ever failed to back the team but 'back the stadium' - how do you do that - offer your services as a brickie?

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I don't think there has to be a 'right or wrong' its just that the Fishy posters always think they are right and CA wrong

But I still don't see what damage CAs opposition to the PP site can do, its purely their opinion, unless of course they side with the objectors when planning permission, plans etc come up for review or inquiry.

I don't think CA have ever failed to back the team but 'back the stadium' - how do you do that - offer your services as a brickie?

If everybody agreed on everything neither this site or GO would have much future


If you want to! Seriously though, whatever can be done, needs to be done - most importantly, selling the idea to people who aren't sure. I had a conversation with a sceptic last week regarding the merits of an in-town site, he was convinced that would cause less traffic issues as more would travel by train! Finally, he accepted that his scepticism was driven by where he lived rather than anything else.
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The latest effort from Cod Almighty explains their view a bit more.

http://codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=5955

They make some valid points and I worry that JF is desperate to get us into any site that will have us. I always remember after the Great Coates site fell through he was quoted as saying "I used to lay in bed at night worrying how we would get people out to Great Coates." That was after putting a small fortune into the project.

I think most would agree that a town centre site fed by improved public transport would be preferable. For those wondering about congestion 52,000 go to St James' Park in the centre of Newcastle once a fortnight without too many problems. The question is can the club survive long enough to wait for a better option?


If you are going to quote Newcastle then the same goes for the vast majority of Premiership grounds. However the point is that the infrastructure evolved around the grounds which in most cases have been there years...not the other way round where an infrastructure with little room for manoeuvre is to be expected to cope with a stadium plonked in the middle of it.
I had an argument with a fellow fan yesterday whose reasons for moving to the Town centre was that he didnt want fans marauding through the residential areas around the new stadium but thouvht it was O.K. for fans to roam unfettered around the town's commercial/retail centre on a saturday. Beggars belief really.


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Why are so many exiles against PP? Do you really think your wives will be happy being told they can go around Freshney Place while you're at Garth Lane stadium?


Not me LH, I am all for it,

We have been waiting far too long for a new stadium its about time it was sorted,


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If you are going to quote Newcastle then the same goes for the vast majority of Premiership grounds. However the point is that the infrastructure evolved around the grounds which in most cases have been there years...not the other way round where an infrastructure with little room for manoeuvre is to be expected to cope with a stadium plonked in the middle of it.
I had an argument with a fellow fan yesterday whose reasons for moving to the Town centre was that he didnt want fans marauding through the residential areas around the new stadium but thouvht it was O.K. for fans to roam unfettered around the town's commercial/retail centre on a saturday. Beggars belief really.


Yeah imagine what a problem thousands of people passing shops and businesses would cause. I imagine shops, bars and restaurants would start a campaign against that sort of footfall.
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Yeah imagine what a problem thousands of people passing shops and businesses would cause. I imagine shops, bars and restaurants would start a campaign against that sort of footfall.


Was it you I was arguing with?  

I maybe didn't make myself completely clear. The reference was made to the fact that a few weeks ago there were hordes of fans causing trouble etc. in Cleethorpes-around pubs, shops and businesses. That misbehaviour was the catalyst for the comments that he didn't want that sort of chaos around the crem. and housing on the approach to the new stadium. Apparently there was no contradiction between that and wanting to see the stadium put in Top Town. Perhaps visiting fans will be softened by the prospect of numerous bargains at House of Fraser?

Not aimed at you Headingly because I don't know what your views are exactly but it makes me smile when people say that all that is needed is a bit of imagination. How about using that imagination to bring non-football related investment into the Town centre. Plenty of room for the arrival of a new cinema with the attendant retail outlets-most of the trade in the evenings giving ordinary folk chance to reclaim the town centre from the specimens who currently hang out there in the evenings. Even Scunthorpe managed to achieve that. Christ, if that waterfront was just about anywhere else it would have cafe bars and the like all along it. What price imagination.


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Was it you I was arguing with?  

I maybe didn't make myself completely clear. The reference was made to the fact that a few weeks ago there were hordes of fans causing trouble etc. in Cleethorpes-around pubs, shops and businesses. That misbehaviour was the catalyst for the comments that he didn't want that sort of chaos around the crem. and housing on the approach to the new stadium. Apparently there was no contradiction between that and wanting to see the stadium put in Top Town. Perhaps visiting fans will be softened by the prospect of numerous bargains at House of Fraser?

Not aimed at you Headingly because I don't know what your views are exactly but it makes me smile when people say that all that is needed is a bit of imagination. How about using that imagination to bring non-football related investment into the Town centre. Plenty of room for the arrival of a new cinema with the attendant retail outlets-most of the trade in the evenings giving ordinary folk chance to reclaim the town centre from the specimens who currently hang out there in the evenings. Even Scunthorpe managed to achieve that. Christ, if that waterfront was just about anywhere else it would have cafe bars and the like all along it. What price imagination.


I see your point about the trouble, but the point I am trying to make is that sort of issue is a rarity and certainly not the norm. The vast majority of town fans (and football fans in general) are good folk, who can be trusted to eat, drink and spend dosh on route to and from the football. Bringing that many people into a town centre once a fortnight could be a massive positive for the economy.
My view is that a new stadium wouldn't be a bad thing if it was done right, my huge concern is that I don't trust those that run the club and the council to do it right. I worry that with the vast sums of money provided by the enabling housing development we might see the interest of personal gain take over from the best interests of the club and the town. The fact that the report suggests the possibility of a stadium built in stages is also a massive worry.
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I see your point about the trouble, but the point I am trying to make is that sort of issue is a rarity and certainly not the norm. The vast majority of town fans (and football fans in general) are good folk, who can be trusted to eat, drink and spend dosh on route to and from the football. Bringing that many people into a town centre once a fortnight could be a massive positive for the economy.
My view is that a new stadium wouldn't be a bad thing if it was done right, my huge concern is that I don't trust those that run the club and the council to do it right. I worry that with the vast sums of money provided by the enabling housing development we might see the interest of personal gain take over from the best interests of the club and the town. The fact that the report suggests the possibility of a stadium built in stages is also a massive worry.



There are many examples of grounds that have been upgraded and as a consequence one or two stands have been out of action , temporarily. What's the difference ?


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There are many examples of grounds that have been upgraded and as a consequence one or two stands have been out of action , temporarily. What's the difference ?


Planned in for up to 8 years? Blackpool was a joke and Oxford still haven't finished their's. It's rare for a new ground to be planned like that and that is because it provides a excrement experience that nobody really wants to go to. Any plan that sees us with 2 stands for 5 years should be shelved.  
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There are many examples of grounds that have been upgraded and as a consequence one or two stands have been out of action , temporarily. What's the difference ?


The difference is 'temporarily'

The timescale for the other two stands is unacceptably and ridiculously long. If we go down again (God forbid) or simply don't progress then I fear they will never be built. Some tosser will argue that we don't need two more stands if we can't fill the first two (and they might have a point.)

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A two sided football stadium  is this a joke  this is abs ridiculous  what on earth is GTFC thinking  shambolic, to say the least. We will certainly attract plenty of media attention  and a lot of laughs Come on Mr Fenty you can do better than this  


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I would suggest to those that live around the areas adjacent to PP, and those that are against the new stadium, think about what they are stopping the town from having. At last we have the chance to build something in the area that could bring money into local business' and this needs to be developed properly. I know business' around meggies and the ground would lose a bit of trade for that one day a fortnight, but am guessing the tanning salons, hairdressers and sex shop don't really go hand in hand with your everyday town fan!

Money, of course, will be the major factor in what happens here, but cmon honest John et al, please give us a vision of what the new fentydome COULD look like!


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Unsure if its been mentioned on this thread but the Park Ward residents have a Stadium meeting on Monday 5th September 1930 being led by Defreitas.
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Unsure if its been mentioned on this thread but the Park Ward residents have a Stadium meeting on Monday 5th September 1930 being led by Defreitas.
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Don't worry FFS that's 86 years ago (they'll be considering the first 'new stadium' application we made)



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As expected, the Council Cabinet has selected Peaks Parkway as the authority's preferred site for Grimsby Town's new stadium.

Councillor Wheatley, who delivered a report to cabinet, said the new stadium will be of the "well being" of people in the borough, but confirmed that a viability report will still need to be put together to assess the suitability of the site further.


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As expected, the Council Cabinet has selected Peaks Parkway as the authority's preferred site for Grimsby Town's new stadium.

Councillor Wheatley, who delivered a report to cabinet, said the new stadium will be of the "well being" of people in the borough, but confirmed that a viability report will still need to be put together to assess the suitability of the site further.


I wonder how long the viability report will drag on for.





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I think it's supposed to be ready for a meeting in November
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I think it's supposed to be ready for a meeting in November


Which November?
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A meeting to report on a report and decide on when the next meeting is.....

WHY DOESNT SOMEONE JUST GET ON WITH IT FFS  ?????  


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Is this where they also try to push a Brexit appeal through at the same time!!!!!

Agree with the above about delaying tactics.


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I assume our major shareholder and colleagues already have plenty of the plans in place and just need to confirm the proposals with 3rd parties before putting something substantial to the council by Nov?
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Unsure if its been mentioned on this thread but the Park Ward residents have a Stadium meeting on Monday 5th September 1930 being led by Defreitas.
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LOL Assuming that you mean 19:30 we could really do with a group of residents of Park Ward being at the meeting to present counter arguments....

One of the first things that needs doing is De Freitas's bubble about 100% opposition in the ward to the stadium being burst.


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I assume our major shareholder and colleagues already have plenty of the plans in place and just need to confirm the proposals with 3rd parties before putting something substantial to the council by Nov?


I'm not at all sure that is the intention of the next couple of months. It is more about finding out whether it is feasible to create the infrastructure etc. to support the eventual plans so I'd expect Highways amongst others to be reporting back. It isn't the club's role to decide on those sort of things. From now on N.E. Lincs council have a massive enabling role in the whole project.

I'm not saying this with any prior knowledge as I know as much (little?) as the next person but at the very least you'd expect interested parties to firm up their commitment.


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A meeting to report on a report and decide on when the next meeting is.....

WHY DOESNT SOMEONE JUST GET ON WITH IT FFS  ?????  


And breathe....massively important for the Council to go through the necessary steps. Far too much at stake for it to fall flat on its face further down the road...


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And breathe....massively important for the Council to go through the necessary steps. Far too much at stake for it to fall flat on its face further down the road...


How many years do they need ?

All we want to know is,

1. When will the building start.

2. When will it be completed.

With all 4 sides in one go hopefully.


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What are the main reasons Freeman Street was a no go?

Today Hounslow Council completed the Compulsory Purchase Order on the land needed for the new Brentford stadium development.

Link >> [url=http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/hounslow-council-brentford-community-stadium-lionel-road-south-3285306.aspx]http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/hounslow-council-brentford-community-stadium-lionel-road-south-3285306.aspx[/url]

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What are the main reasons Freeman Street was a no go?

Today Hounslow Council completed the Compulsory Purchase Order on the land needed for the new Brentford stadium development.

Link >> [url=http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/hounslow-council-brentford-community-stadium-lionel-road-south-3285306.aspx]http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/hounslow-council-brentford-community-stadium-lionel-road-south-3285306.aspx[/url]

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That looks pretty impressive and at the heart of a community
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That looks pretty impressive and at the heart of a community


Looks very similar to Freeman Street at the moment, if you imagine the stadium where Boyes is.
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What are the main reasons Freeman Street was a no go?


I think Freeman Street would be fantastic, however I think the issue would be the enabling development, which is where the money for the new stadium would come from. It would need space for either a retail or housing development (which Peaks Parkway has) and Freeman Street arguably doesn't.

Having said that, I've favoured Freeman Street all along. I think it would regenerate an area which much needs it, it would build a stadium in the heart of the community and in an area which is an intrinsic part of the town's heritage. A stadium at Freeman Street has the potential to work wonders for the town, and as such if the council could put money in (again difficult in current climate) it could potentially mitigate the need for enabling developments.

There was the EU funds for regenerating deprived areas which we could potentially have tapped into, however although we haven't actually left yet, I doubt we'd be top of the list at the moment...
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The club wouldn't be able to build on Freeman Street as it is owned by the Freemen of Grimsby. Far too much cost in CPO's and high court writs I'd have thought.
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I remember hearing the tail end of the Defreittas interview with Burnsey on Humberside and thinking some of the things he was saying we're quite alarming for someone in his position.It would be interesting if anyone could find a link to it to put on a separate post .
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Freemo is just another pipe dream it will never happen in my life time anywhere why not just share Scunny's new stadium and have done with it.

Looks impressive more ambition.
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I may sound like I'm going a little off topic, but does anyone living in Grimsby actually get a knock on the door from politicians nowadays? They seem to just put a leaflet through my door and do a runner.


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. Far too much cost in high court writs I'd have thought.


There will be plenty of those brought by the PP NIMBYS before any work starts on the new ground.



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Freemo is a dreadful idea. One of the main functions of a new stadium is to increase revenue for the club via functions, who wants to go to a wedding in the East Marsh?

Freeman Street does need an injection of cash but how about building some educational/industrial infrastructure which will be much more beneficial and actually have a chance of getting some outside funding?
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Freemo is a dreadful idea. One of the main functions of a new stadium is to increase revenue for the club via functions, who wants to go to a wedding in the East Marsh?

Freeman Street does need an injection of cash but how about building some educational/industrial infrastructure which will be much more beneficial and actually have a chance of getting some outside funding?


It's also a non-story. We've been told by all parties that it's Peaks Parkway or nothing, so let's concentrate on that until it falls dead.
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I can only assume you've never had the "joy" of queueing on a normal Saturday for the car parks in Top Town. Add upwards of another 1000 to that and present car parking would be woefully inadequate. The car parks near B and M and Sainsbury's are customer only and are monitored. I suspect if it were a realistic possibility we would all like a stadium with full development in Top Town but it is a "romantic" pipe dream. The traffic chaos on match days would be unimaginable. Thanks to the new one-way system it took the bus I was on SEVENTEEN minutes to get from the bottom of the bridge at the back of St James church to the turning point on the approach to the bus terminus and that was mid morning on a Friday. It's Peakes Parkway or nowt and the council have just paid good money for EXPERTS to confirm that..


Last time I went it was pretty easy. It was like a ghost town.


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That looks pretty impressive and at the heart of a community


Well it's a brownfield site in a triangle of land of the M4 and A4. Old scrap yard, railway sidings, that sort of thing. That's this vision thing we keep hearing about.


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Was it you I was arguing with?  

I maybe didn't make myself completely clear. The reference was made to the fact that a few weeks ago there were hordes of fans causing trouble etc. in Cleethorpes-around pubs, shops and businesses. That misbehaviour was the catalyst for the comments that he didn't want that sort of chaos around the crem. and housing on the approach to the new stadium. Apparently there was no contradiction between that and wanting to see the stadium put in Top Town. Perhaps visiting fans will be softened by the prospect of numerous bargains at House of Fraser?

Not aimed at you Headingly because I don't know what your views are exactly but it makes me smile when people say that all that is needed is a bit of imagination. How about using that imagination to bring non-football related investment into the Town centre. Plenty of room for the arrival of a new cinema with the attendant retail outlets-most of the trade in the evenings giving ordinary folk chance to reclaim the town centre from the specimens who currently hang out there in the evenings. Even Scunthorpe managed to achieve that. Christ, if that waterfront was just about anywhere else it would have cafe bars and the like all along it. What price imagination.


Well the problem is who is going to make the investment? Yes the waterfront would have cafes and bars if it was anywhere else. The fact it hasn't after all these years should tell you there isn't the commercial demand for it. If there was the money for a big gallery or some other public institution that brought punters in, then the cafes and bars will follow. That's what's brought other waterfronts into life in other towns and cities. But there isn't. So the council has to look at other ways of encouraging investment (beyond a bit of crazy paving the other side of the shopping centre   )


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Well the problem is who is going to make the investment? Yes the waterfront would have cafes and bars if it was anywhere else. The fact it hasn't after all these years should tell you there isn't the commercial demand for it. If there was the money for a big gallery or some other public institution that brought punters in, then the cafes and bars will follow. That's what's brought other waterfronts into life in other towns and cities. But there isn't. So the council has to look at other ways of encouraging investment (beyond a bit of crazy paving the other side of the shopping centre   )


I don't know how to link off my phone but yesterday the council paved (no pun intended) the way for waterfront development based around the acquisition of a cinema etc.


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The cinema idea is too little too late. The area was crying out for one 20+ years ago when the ABC was in disrepair and people were going over to h*ll every weekend.

This is what I fear most about the new ground, that the local authority have left it too late. The auditorium SHOULD have been linked in with the ground, and the regeneration of an area in town. Wether that had been freemo, the docks, the riverhead etc it doesn't matter. The opportunity has been and gone.

We now have to stand firm as one and back PP all the way. For the livelihood and future of the club, our fantastic club, let's make this happen


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I don't know how to link off my phone but yesterday the council paved (no pun intended) the way for waterfront development based around the acquisition of a cinema etc.


Why would NELC need to acquire a cinema if the town was screaming out for one? Surely the commercial case would be there for it to be done privately if it was in demand.


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sounds interesting! announcement of the enabling partner(s)?


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Can't wait until the ball starts rolling with the new stadium, not only for us as fans but for the people that live close to BP as well


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