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We build the stadium only at Garth Lane. The council owned sections of the site are big enough for a stadium and putting it there solves a brownfield site problem for them. The “give me a stadium with character in a great location” PP naysayers get their temple to replace BP and can walk to the town centre pubs etc. The stadium conference facilities and bars/food etc will have business seven days a week.
We put the enabling development at Peaks Parkway. Nobody has to worry about the barbarian hordes gatecrashing funerals etc every two weeks so there are fewer objections to the planning application.
The pitches and GTSET facilities etc will be an attractive selling point for the houses in the development. Developer will be happy because house prices will probably be higher because there won’t be a football ground with the (misperceived) threat of the aforementioned hordes. And they can build more of them without the stadium footprint and parking. The bus station and train station are convenient for Garth Lane but parking might not be – a park and ride can go in PP to relieve matchday traffic in the town centre.
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If that was feasible then why move ground at all ? Why not develop BP and have the enabling development some where else ? The reason is we would still have a ground that would only be income streaming for the season and hardly raising any income for the rest of the time. For a project of this kind to work it all has to be in one location. All the amenities , especially car parking, are together and they can be used by all parties using the complex. |
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Could a PP development incorporate some running track/ athletic facilities so releasing King George stadium for housing development. Also can one of the 3G pitches be made suitable for hockey. An indoor area for gymnastics/ judo etc. Just bearing in mind the impact of the Olympics and the need to provide an opportunity for local young people the have good facilities to develop their skills in a range of sports.
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The 2.82 ha is based upon the design for Great Cotes which is now dated and wasn't designed with the limitations that Garth Lane might present. Chesterfields and Wycombes stadiums would fit into 2.82 ha for example. Most of the 6.5 ha you mention is for 3G pitches which could be located at PP. As for the Car Parking and circulation space, Garth Lane presents very different challenges to PP, which a good design and a few careful land acquisitions might solve.
Some vision beyond the closed road to PP is needed.
No the 6.5 ha I'm referring to is for the functional additions. The pitches are another 3.71 ha which , if you include them brings the total to 13.03 ha. I excluded the pitches as I guess you could reasonably put them anywhere, which is not really the case for parking and circulation though. |
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No the 6.5 ha I'm referring to is for the functional additions. The pitches are another 3.71 ha which , if you include them brings the total to 13.03 ha.
I excluded the pitches as I guess you could reasonably put them anywhere, which is not really the case for parking and circulation though.
Yes, I see the 6.5 now. Thats for a circulation space for pedestrians, a public transport interchange, car parking and street sports facilities. Very different in a town centre location and Garth Lane in particular to Great Cotes or PP. For starters its walking distance from GT rail and bus stations. The extended site as far as Corporation road runs to 7.5 Ha, some of that could be acquired. |
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Yes, I see the 6.5 now. Thats for a circulation space for pedestrians, a public transport interchange, car parking and street sports facilities. Very different in a town centre location and Garth Lane in particular to Great Cotes or PP. For starters its walking distance from GT rail and bus stations.
The extended site as far as Corporation road runs to 7.5 Ha, some of that could be acquired.
Yeah the report acknowledges the possibility for extension, but also identifies severe financial implications due to the options held by Henry Boot Ltd. Their wording 'severe' suggests financially prohibitive. I'm assuming they know the figure but probably can't release it as its commercially sensitive. |
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Yeah the report acknowledges the possibility for extension, but also identifies severe financial implications due to the options held by Henry Boot Ltd. Their wording 'severe' suggests financially prohibitive. I'm assuming they know the figure but probably can't release it as its commercially sensitive.
Maybe Henry would fancy a nice plot near Waltham instead and a opportunity to quote for building a stadium  |
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We must have a stadium with 4 sides to start with, Extra seating can be added upwards at a later date, Having the new site nearer to Suffolk saves me a bit of mileage,  So PP is a plus for me Another plus is I have BP on my garden gate that can easily be changed to PP without much bother.  . |
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Your point is the sort of thing that is so obvious, I wonder if it has been considered or overlooked or discounted? In that scenario the space for the stadium alone would perhaps bring other sites into consideration previously declined due to lack of acreage.
I suppose the experts involved must have thought of things like this.
I think I must have read it on the hated Cod Almighty  Garth Lane does look very tight, even without the ancillary stuff. Not sure why it would need a carpark though. There seems to be a lot around the wider Top Town area. There were land acquisition issues too. The council owned plot is a bit the wrong shape to fit even just the ground in. But where there's a will...... |
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I think I must have read it on the hated Cod Almighty Garth Lane does look very tight, even without the ancillary stuff. Not sure why it would need a carpark though. There seems to be a lot around the wider Top Town area.There were land acquisition issues too. The council owned plot is a bit the wrong shape to fit even just the ground in. But where there's a will......
I can only assume you've never had the "joy" of queueing on a normal Saturday for the car parks in Top Town. Add upwards of another 1000 to that and present car parking would be woefully inadequate. The car parks near B and M and Sainsbury's are customer only and are monitored. I suspect if it were a realistic possibility we would all like a stadium with full development in Top Town but it is a "romantic" pipe dream. The traffic chaos on match days would be unimaginable. Thanks to the new one-way system it took the bus I was on SEVENTEEN minutes to get from the bottom of the bridge at the back of St James church to the turning point on the approach to the bus terminus and that was mid morning on a Friday. It's Peakes Parkway or nowt and the council have just paid good money for EXPERTS to confirm that.. |
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I can only assume you've never had the "joy" of queueing on a normal Saturday for the car parks in Top Town. Add upwards of another 1000 to that and present car parking would be woefully inadequate. The car parks near B and M and Sainsbury's are customer only and are monitored. I suspect if it were a realistic possibility we would all like a stadium with full development in Top Town but it is a "romantic" pipe dream. The traffic chaos on match days would be unimaginable. Thanks to the new one-way system it took the bus I was on SEVENTEEN minutes to get from the bottom of the bridge at the back of St James church to the turning point on the approach to the bus terminus and that was mid morning on a Friday. It's Peakes Parkway or nowt and the council have just paid good money for EXPERTS to confirm that..
The fact that Codalmighty endorse Garth Lane as a realistic site for the stadium just proves to me how ridiculous they are. Anything Fenty suggests they'll find a way of opposing it. Access to a new stadium via Alexandra Road? Really? The site is absolutely tiny, there's no room for parking. Say what you like about people getting a park and ride but it's just a hassle. I want to be able to drive to the football easily, I don't want it to take up anymore of my day than it already does so the idea of driving to a bus station, then waiting for the bus, riding it to the ground and the same on the return does not appeal. Why are people so opposed to the Parkway site? I really don't see what the problem is. |
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