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Southwark Mariner
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This is the first time I've heard that the stadium might be built in stages. Scenario A would be horrendous - two stands for 5 years. Bye bye atmosphere, bye bye feel good factor, bye bye attendances, bye bye GTFC.

Two alternative future development scenarios have been proposed by GTFC in order to
enable the development of a proposed 14,000 seat capacity stadium at Peaks Parkway.
These are:
• Scenario A: a 14,000 stadium with associated facilities (i.e. community sports
pitches) that would be developed in several stages and enabled by the development
of housing on five development sites in the vicinity of the proposed stadium. Under
this scenario, it is proposed that a total of 1,488 new dwellings would be developed.
In addition, there may also be some ancillary retail development associated with
serving the needs of the residential population that would be accommodated by the
new housing, but this retail development would be relatively modest in scale.

• Scenario B: a 14,000 seat stadium with associated facilities (i.e. community sports
pitches) that would be developed in a single stage and that would be enabled by
commercial retail and leisure development as well as housing (848 dwellings).


The assumed phasing of the development of the stadium under Scenario A is as follows:
• Year 1: community pitches and two stands (10,000 seat total capacity and providing
players’ and officials changing rooms, club offices, club shop hospitality facilities)
along each long side of the pitch plus associated parking.
• Year 5: third stand constructed at one end of the ground providing an additional
2,000 seats
• Year 9: fourth and final stand constructed providing an additional 2,000 seats and
raising the capacity to 14,000.
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Thanks for the links.

Seems we are still at the "convince the council it is a good idea" stage not the "this is where we are going to build it" stage.

Oh and I still really don't want us to move to Peaks Parkway.


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Quoted from Vance Warner
This is the first time I've heard that the stadium might be built in stages. Scenario A would be horrendous - two stands for 5 years. Bye bye atmosphere, bye bye feel good factor, bye bye attendances, bye bye GTFC.

Two alternative future development scenarios have been proposed by GTFC in order to
enable the development of a proposed 14,000 seat capacity stadium at Peaks Parkway.
These are:
• Scenario A: a 14,000 stadium with associated facilities (i.e. community sports
pitches) that would be developed in several stages and enabled by the development
of housing on five development sites in the vicinity of the proposed stadium. Under
this scenario, it is proposed that a total of 1,488 new dwellings would be developed.
In addition, there may also be some ancillary retail development associated with
serving the needs of the residential population that would be accommodated by the
new housing, but this retail development would be relatively modest in scale.

• Scenario B: a 14,000 seat stadium with associated facilities (i.e. community sports
pitches) that would be developed in a single stage and that would be enabled by
commercial retail and leisure development as well as housing (848 dwellings).


The assumed phasing of the development of the stadium under Scenario A is as follows:
• Year 1: community pitches and two stands (10,000 seat total capacity and providing
players’ and officials changing rooms, club offices, club shop hospitality facilities)
along each long side of the pitch plus associated parking.
• Year 5: third stand constructed at one end of the ground providing an additional
2,000 seats
• Year 9: fourth and final stand constructed providing an additional 2,000 seats and
raising the capacity to 14,000.


To give a bit more of a balanced view the documents clearly show the amount of good work that the club does in the local community. They also show the effort that has gone into trying to acquire a new stadium. The letters near the end (p356 onwards) make interesting reading.

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August 19, 2016, 2:04pm

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I'd rather they didn't bother if they're only going to (initially) build half a bloody stadium.


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Still all reliant on a partner being allowed to build either 1400 or 900 ish new homes on greenfields....in an area where there are already plans (and objections)to develop the fields around TollBar school with new homes and the site opposite Tesco too...both situated on the feeder roads to the Parkway/Low Farm(?) Roundabout.
That many new homes in a relatively small footprint all need additional infrastructure, shops,schools etc never mind the actual demand for so many new homes.

and from memory i think in the last round of P.R even with a developer and council funding weren't we still short of the actual financial target required ?

Really cant see it happening at PP.


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Having quickly read the info, I can't see it going anywhere soon, if ever I'm afraid. I hope I'm wrong though.
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Quoted from Southwark Mariner


Thanks for the links.

It makes me wonder how anything anywhere is ever built in Grimsby if documentation like this is needed for a possible football ground.

Like someone posted yesterday - and is mentioned early in the report - the club has no money or prospect of the major investment needed to make the stadium happen, and I am sure somewhere in that report will be a get out clause for the council to kick it into the long grass.  

It has been said many times but whilst Fenty is there we have very little chance of extra substantial investment, so we are caught between a rock and a hard place hoping the council will bale us out. The council will come under intense scrutiny from the public and no doubt if it goes ahead at all it will be a compromise that suits no one.
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Two stands then 5 years for a third and 9 years for the fourth - sounds very non-league to me

Forfuckssake - we'll be the laughing stock once again

'excrement ground no mascot, excrement ground no mascot'

Lets hope its never 'excrement ground no fans'!


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Quoted from moosey_club
Still all reliant on a partner being allowed to build either 1400 or 900 ish new homes on greenfields....in an area where there are already plans (and objections)to develop the fields around TollBar school with new homes and the site opposite Tesco too...both situated on the feeder roads to the Parkway/Low Farm(?) Roundabout.
That many new homes in a relatively small footprint all need additional infrastructure, shops,schools etc never mind the actual demand for so many new homes.

and from memory i think in the last round of P.R even with a developer and council funding weren't we still short of the actual financial target required ?

Really cant see it happening at PP.


The report touches on this (p308) and basically says 'yeah a bit more thought will have to go into this' -

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Although when you look at the conclusions on the other sites in the report it looks like Peaks Parkway really is the only even half-way feasible location.


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