Hurst Out!

3-0 Down to Halifax, bloody embarasing. Sorry but tactically inept.

Wont happen.

Fenty will make sure of that.

Both idiots who need to look at themselves in the mirror , the so called chairman especially.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Wont happen.

Fenty will make sure of that.

Both idiots who need to look at themselves in the mirror , the so called chairman especially.

As a person though dont mind him

For the first time ever I couldn't agree more ive been backing Hurst but at this stage of the season and already so far behind its ridiculous. We may aswell just keep him till the end season now it won't change anything now.

JF is not the chairman, just for clarity.

Nothing to give us a chance of playoffs like sacking somebody in February with no guarantee of a suitable replacement.

We've got the ability to be such and attacking team but we just don't Hurst is to scared to lose he has no plan B for when we actually are.

Drop Monkhouse he's to slow  to make a difference on the wing now.
Get Pearson in he's the best CB we have and would quickly steady the ship.
Start attacking, more direct balls for Bogle, Amond and Pittman to run onto instead of having to play with their backs to goal, it would be the same for Arnold, Jennings and Marshall get them running at players.

Nope he isn't but my god he is still having his brilliant input on us aint he.

No point getting rid till end of season now.

Quoted from WetFlannel

Nothing to give us a chance of playoffs like sacking somebody in February with no guarantee of a suitable replacement.

Halifax found someone.

Quoted from ginnywings

Halifax found someone.

What a banal point.

Sack him get rid bring someone in NOW who can assess the squad and build for next season.

Time to go I'm afraid, he's taken us as far as he can which unfortunately is not very far.

Quoted from Grim74

Sack him get rid bring someone in NOW who can assess the squad and build for next season.

A good appointment might just get us over the line this season. Something I have lost all faith in PH doing for us.

Quoted from WetFlannel

What a banal point.

But true all the same.

Look, stop the hyperbole for a second. We're not playing well. We're still 3rd, very probably too far behind to win the league. Say we get to the playoffs, as is presumed. Would we be better with a manager who knows the team well, or an unknown presence, who could come in and work wonders OR be much worse than Hurst.
Sure, end of the seasons we don't get promoted? Then let's try start again. But we still have a chance to get promoted, let's not try to ruin that by getting rid of a manager who has built this team and has the support of the players.

He should have gone Xmas 2014 but we are stuck with him because Fenty hasn't a clue what he should do..

Quoted from TAGG

He should have gone Xmas 2014 but we are stuck with him because Fenty hasn't a clue what he should do..

Well said.

I think Paul Hurst has taken us as far as he can, he has good qualities (spotting a good player etc etc) although a manager should be able to spot a good player - the main thing for me though is his strange decisions he makes regarding substitutions and worrying about what other teams are going to do, we have a team at present more than capable of pushing for that top spot but it's the managers negative ways what are holding us back in my opinion and I feel we need a new manager with new ideas, the big question is though do we replace him now or at the end of the season??

Quoted from WetFlannel

Look, stop the hyperbole for a second. We're not playing well. We're still 3rd, very probably too far behind to win the league. Say we get to the playoffs, as is presumed. Would we be better with a manager who knows the team well, or an unknown presence, who could come in and work wonders OR be much worse than Hurst.
Sure, end of the seasons we don't get promoted? Then let's try start again. But we still have a chance to get promoted, let's not try to ruin that by getting rid of a manager who has built this team and has the support of the players.

It's not hyperbole though is it? You have managed to avoid the use of the overused, and inaccurate, "knee-jerk' though.

Understandably, confidence in hurst has waned.

A new manager, without Hurst's relationships with the existing squad, could actually work better. Getting a new boss puts everyone on their mettle. I think we actually have more chance of squeezing that extra bit out of the squad needed for promotion with a new manager. Not with Hurst.

It's a risk, but now the risk of failure of not acting now is, in my opinion, bigger.

Get off Hursty back fcuk sake !! Would love to see you lot manage a team as good as he has with our budget !!

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Get off Hursty back fcuk sake !! Would love to see you lot manage a team as good as he has with our budget !!

    

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Get off Hursty back fcuk sake !! Would love to see you lot manage a team as good as he has with our budget !!

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Get off Hursty back fcuk sake !! Would love to see you lot manage a team as good as he has with our budget !!

Afternoon, Mrs Hurst

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Get off Hursty back fcuk sake !! Would love to see you lot manage a team as good as he has with our budget !!

Didn't know Hurst used rent boys.

isnt our budget one of the best in this tinpot league ???

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Afternoon, Mrs Hurst

😂 😂 😂

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Get off Hursty back fcuk sake !! Would love to see you lot manage a team as good as he has with our budget !!

Couldnt get on his back the little fvcking midget but if i could i would put him in a right good sleeper.

Quoted from gary_elton

isnt our budget one of the best in this tinpot league ???

Yes but not THE best sadly. Makes a lot of difference at this level. We need new investment but that is a whole new argument.

Time to walk Hurst, enough is enough. Bye bye 🙋

Hurst couldnt have seen any of these recent signings play,if he had he wouldnt have signed them.  I think somebody else is pulling the puppets strings and he has been forced to take on these players.Hurst has had a footballing career and I cant see anybody with footballing experience stopping a winning run that we were on and signing these hasbeens or neverwere,He darent admit that he has made any mistakes with these or loan signings earlier in the season, As we all know he is absolutely crap and getting worse. How I wish someone with money would step in and get rid of all the egoists in this club.

I am quite bored of repeating that Hurst isn't the man to take us further and those that keep giving him the nod to carry on clearly have no real understanding of football. He is predictable and cannot set up against teams that have a defensive/ catch you on the break attitude. Not just me saying it anyone with even a basic grasp on the game can see it, and that's why he needs to move on.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Couldnt get on his back the little fvcking midget but if i could i would put him in a right good sleeper.

I like you Jonnyboy more than you like Hurst.

Well it's the first time I've heard today the fans chanting " Hurst out, Hurst out"

I'm with them all the way, hell never get us promotion as long as I've got a hole up my bottom

Our fans are tremendous and quite simply deserve more than this. 1700 plus away from home, love you town ❤

PS - Hurst do one and Fenty please bring in a manager of tactical prowess proven at this level before its too late and we drop out the play off zone with this shambles. Assuming someone is out there ready yo take the reins?

Time to shake things up in the coming week.

Quoted from ackomariner

Well it's the first time I've heard today the fans chanting " Hurst out, Hurst out"

I'm with them all the way, hell never get us promotion as long as I've got a hole up my bottom

The fans have been very patient but i feel a change now and after what he said last week, then today, his time is running out.

Quoted from Grim74

Sack him get rid bring someone in NOW who can assess the squad and build for next season.

3rd in the league and almost guaranteed a play off place and you're talking about building for next season. Bizarre

I can't see a way back now. It's often said when the manager loses the fans there's no turning back and I think the day has come. Does anyone else think he might not be in charge for Tuesday?

Well my take is give him until the end of the season by that time he might have lost the support of the fans anyway.  You have to understand what the board my be thinking  they must be a bit nervous knowing that sacking ph and then his replacement not hitting the ground running then the fans getting on JF back.

Its a big decision for the board who will probably say there is no decision to make.  However despite being 3rd we have some good players i believe, but we must go into every match and start off with intensity and desire.  Stuff who the opposition is we are Grimsby bloody Town.  

Get this crap sorted out.  

Unfortunately for ph no passion, wrong changes strange decisions and doesn't help but little snipes at the fans.

Quoted from Vance Warner

3rd in the league and almost guaranteed a play off place and you're talking about building for next season. Bizarre

For now.

You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of Cod Haddock, go!

Quoted from ginnywings

The fans have been very patient but i feel a change now and after what he said last week, then today, his time is running out.

I think today Ginny just tells us that the fans have now turned and had enough.
I for one had enough since 2013 when I said if he doesn't get us promotion he should go.

He's took us as far as he can IMHO and need a change asap, because I've never heard chanting like that at a game all aimed at the manager, so somethings got to happen now.

Enoughs enough mate

Quoted from Mariners_15

I can't see a way back now. It's often said when the manager loses the fans there's no turning back and I think the day has come. Does anyone else think he might not be in charge for Tuesday?

We live in hope!  

Interesting how one kick by Jon Paul Pittman could've been the difference between Hurst being a 'manager who can't get a team promoted' to being the pride of the town.

Jose is still looking for a change. Go on you know you want to!

Quoted from H19P1

Time to walk Hurst, enough is enough. Bye bye 🙋

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There are other options

Quoted from WetFlannel

Interesting how one kick by Jon Paul Pittman could've been the difference between Hurst being a 'manager who can't get a team promoted' to being the pride of the town.

Take your tints off mate and look at the bigger picture for gods sake.
Time gentleman please

First of all may I thank all of the Fishy posters for the entertainment over the past few years.

I've finally bitten the bullet to air my opinion on this season and where the club stands.

For all of his mistakes which led us into non-league wilderness, John Fenty has to be applauded for his continued investment in the club. My problem with him is that although he is an ardent fan, he has little knowledge of the game and no experience in playing football, so unqualified as such to select the right manager.

If you look at the players, there are no real problems with the goalkeeper, three full backs, Tait, Robertson, East and three centre halves, Nsiala, Pearson, Gowling over the season. We have two strong performers in centre midfield in Disley and Clay. Clay has a great engine and is brilliant at winning the ball back, unheralded by some who only watch games when Town have the ball. How the hell he was dropped by Hurst twice I don't know. My friends who support other teams have always highlighted Clay as one of our best players. Dis is solid but I also think he has looked a little leggy this season. He is invaluable on the pitch and his leadership skills and experience should have been accommodated at times in a 3-5-2. Hurst was a full back so he's all about the predictable 4-4-2. If I were an opposing manager of a lesser team, it would be so easy to counteract the 4-4-2 with a 4-5-1 and flood the midfield if you set out to be negative or 3-5-2 to be positive. Every team in this league knows no matter what Hurst will play a 4-4-2. This is just not good enough to get us out of this league. As management goes it's inept. Our wide players have all been poor to average this year. Arnold at times shows flashes of brilliance but not consistently enough yet works hard in trying to win the ball back. For me, if a manager offers a friend a contract, that player has to be one of the best performers every week. Monkhouse is definitely not that. A great footballing brain without the legs to go with it. Pace frightens full backs not heading ability. Hardly notice him in most games apart from the reverse pass routine with Robertson from throw ins. Mackreth just wasn't good enough whereas Marshall at his best is far better than Monkhouse and Mackreth, more of a threat but has had little opportunity, now seemingly frozen out by Hurst and his confidence as a result looks shot. Up front it's obvious that Amond and Bogle are both class for this division in their own way and have done extremely well with the lack or service from behind them. They have been messed around by Hurst at times when it was clear to see if they didn't fire for a game or two they eventually would. That partnership should have been backed at all times barring injury. Footballers learn their trade on the pitch not sat on the bench like naughty schoolboys. Bogle and Amond both seem to be strikers that would benefit from us playing more football through a midfield three than the long ball which has been played too often this season.  How Ben Tomlinson was seen as a better option to either of them I do not know. JPP for me is not good enough as the primary back up striker to get out of this division and other than Alex Jones this has been a gaping hole in our squad all season. Lack of dangerous width, an alternative formation and tinkering with the wrong players at the wrong times has cost us this season big time.

Lets look at player acquisition too. To Hurst's credit Amond was a masterstroke. Bogle was a good signing but hardly a stroke of genius as every man and his dog was after him. Conor Townsend was brilliant and exactly the profile of footballer we should be signing in the loan market, a talented youngster not getting games at Championship level, to a lesser extent the same could be said of Alex Jones. After that we've had Nolan who seems ok at best then a long list of wasted opportunities to strengthen the squad, Tomlinson, such a bad touch for a striker, Robinson, not a patch on Clay, Alabi, Henderson, Horwood and Straker. Hurst in some eyes has a reputation for finding a player. For every good one he finds he signs two or three bad ones and tinkers with the team to accommodate them and upsets spirit in the dressing room. Not good enough in my book. Every signing has to count and make a difference. Just look at what Gary Johnson has done at Cheltenham.

So where are we now. I've seen on the Fishy the usual give Hurst til the end of the season, he might get us through the play-offs. There is a chance of that. But how about this. We get rid of him now and invest in a proper experienced manager who will have around fifteen good players to work with this season. I think it's a given we would make the play-offs at least and also give that manager time to build relationships with the players in order to be in a position to resign the best of them for the following season whatever division we are in. To not act now could set us as a football club back years as we wave goodbye to Gowling, Amond, Bogle, Nsiala, Tait, Clay, Arnold etc at the end of the season as Hurst won't take us up, gets fired and leaves the players in disarray.

The other unacceptable things about Hurst are his negativity, building the opposition up and his I know best attitude. All traits of someone who is protecting himself. He also never admits any mistakes. He belittles our fans by telling them we don't know enough about the game to know what he knows. This is just rubbish. I myself have played in a couple of leagues below where Town are now and against a fair few league sides. I'd like to think I could put an alternative and valid point of view to Hurst in a conversation about the club I love rather than him telling me I don't know enough about the game. And then there's the spoilt comment after Boreham Wood. Aren't we all in this together?

Finally, all we can do as fans is continue our fantastic support home and away which makes me so proud to be a fan of this club. What else have we got to offer prospective players other that a guaranteed sh4g in Cleethorpes every Saturday night. Our support sets us apart from every other non-league club and we've got to stick together until we get back to where we belong, hopefully with a new stadium in the offing. If John Fenty has a football brain and can afford it, hopefully he will be ruthless and sack Hurst now and invest wisely in a manager that can take us up, retain our best players and also be in this together with us, the fans.

Feel slightly better now that's off my chest, but 4-2 at Halifax FFS.

UTM

For those saying we are still almost guaranteed a playoff place - not on our current form we're not!

Quoted from Bigdog

First of all may I thank all of the Fishy posters for the entertainment over the past few years.

I've finally bitten the bullet to air my opinion on this season and where the club stands.

For all of his mistakes which led us into non-league wilderness, John Fenty has to be applauded for his continued investment in the club. My problem with him is that although he is an ardent fan, he has little knowledge of the game and no experience in playing football, so unqualified as such to select the right manager.

If you look at the players, there are no real problems with the goalkeeper, three full backs, Tait, Robertson, East and three centre halves, Nsiala, Pearson, Gowling over the season. We have two strong performers in centre midfield in Disley and Clay. Clay has a great engine and is brilliant at winning the ball back, unheralded by some who only watch games when Town have the ball. How the hell he was dropped by Hurst twice I don't know. My friends who support other teams have always highlighted Clay as one of our best players. Dis is solid but I also think he has looked a little leggy this season. He is invaluable on the pitch and his leadership skills and experience should have been accommodated at times in a 3-5-2. Hurst was a full back so he's all about the predictable 4-4-2. If I were an opposing manager of a lesser team, it would be so easy to counteract the 4-4-2 with a 4-5-1 and flood the midfield if you set out to be negative or 3-5-2 to be positive. Every team in this league knows no matter what Hurst will play a 4-4-2. This is just not good enough to get us out of this league. As management goes it's inept. Our wide players have all been poor to average this year. Arnold at times shows flashes of brilliance but not consistently enough yet works hard in trying to win the ball back. For me, if a manager offers a friend a contract, that player has to be one of the best performers every week. Monkhouse is definitely not that. A great footballing brain without the legs to go with it. Pace frightens full backs not heading ability. Hardly notice him in most games apart from the reverse pass routine with Robertson from throw ins. Mackreth just wasn't good enough whereas Marshall at his best is far better than Monkhouse and Mackreth, more of a threat but has had little opportunity, now seemingly frozen out by Hurst and his confidence as a result looks shot. Up front it's obvious that Amond and Bogle are both class for this division in their own way and have done extremely well with the lack or service from behind them. They have been messed around by Hurst at times when it was clear to see if they didn't fire for a game or two they eventually would. That partnership should have been backed at all times barring injury. Footballers learn their trade on the pitch not sat on the bench like naughty schoolboys. Bogle and Amond both seem to be strikers that would benefit from us playing more football through a midfield three than the long ball which has been played too often this season.  How Ben Tomlinson was seen as a better option to either of them I do not know. JPP for me is not good enough as the primary back up striker to get out of this division and other than Alex Jones this has been a gaping hole in our squad all season. Lack of dangerous width, an alternative formation and tinkering with the wrong players at the wrong times has cost us this season big time.

Lets look at player acquisition too. To Hurst's credit Amond was a masterstroke. Bogle was a good signing but hardly a stroke of genius as every man and his dog was after him. Conor Townsend was brilliant and exactly the profile of footballer we should be signing in the loan market, a talented youngster not getting games at Championship level, to a lesser extent the same could be said of Alex Jones. After that we've had Nolan who seems ok at best then a long list of wasted opportunities to strengthen the squad, Tomlinson, such a bad touch for a striker, Robinson, not a patch on Clay, Alabi, Henderson, Horwood and Straker. Hurst in some eyes has a reputation for finding a player. For every good one he finds he signs two or three bad ones and tinkers with the team to accommodate them and upsets spirit in the dressing room. Not good enough in my book. Every signing has to count and make a difference. Just look at what Gary Johnson has done at Cheltenham.

So where are we now. I've seen on the Fishy the usual give Hurst til the end of the season, he might get us through the play-offs. There is a chance of that. But how about this. We get rid of him now and invest in a proper experienced manager who will have around fifteen good players to work with this season. I think it's a given we would make the play-offs at least and also give that manager time to build relationships with the players in order to be in a position to resign the best of them for the following season whatever division we are in. To not act now could set us as a football club back years as we wave goodbye to Gowling, Amond, Bogle, Nsiala, Tait, Clay, Arnold etc at the end of the season as Hurst won't take us up, gets fired and leaves the players in disarray.

The other unacceptable things about Hurst are his negativity, building the opposition up and his I know best attitude. All traits of someone who is protecting himself. He also never admits any mistakes. He belittles our fans by telling them we don't know enough about the game to know what he knows. This is just rubbish. I myself have played in a couple of leagues below where Town are now and against a fair few league sides. I'd like to think I could put an alternative and valid point of view to Hurst in a conversation about the club I love rather than him telling me I don't know enough about the game. And then there's the spoilt comment after Boreham Wood. Aren't we all in this together?

Finally, all we can do as fans is continue our fantastic support home and away which makes me so proud to be a fan of this club. What else have we got to offer prospective players other that a guaranteed sh4g in Cleethorpes every Saturday night. Our support sets us apart from every other non-league club and we've got to stick together until we get back to where we belong, hopefully with a new stadium in the offing. If John Fenty has a football brain and can afford it, hopefully he will be ruthless and sack Hurst now and invest wisely in a manager that can take us up, retain our best players and also be in this together with us, the fans.

Feel slightly better now that's off my chest, but 4-2 at Halifax FFS.

UTM

Excellent stuff and saves me typing a load of this myself - no club can afford a situation where there is such a schism between the manager and the fans and particularly not GTFC whose fans have been relentless in their support of a club with such a poor recent history. Notwithstanding that, this is also an area with a poor economy and some fans spend a large percentage of their disposable cash on the club. I think Fenty has to act now because this isn't a fence that is going to be mended in a hurry.

Quoted from WetFlannel

Interesting how one kick by Jon Paul Pittman could've been the difference between Hurst being a 'manager who can't get a team promoted' to being the pride of the town.

I think on balance most people would say that over the season Bristol Rovers were better than us. If that had been Hurst's first season you might think, "unlucky". But how many times is one man unlucky?

Now you could say, 'he's brought us stability'. Yep. Check. 5, no 6 years in the same division. It's not a very demanding sort of stability though is it? Lots of people could do that.

You could say he's built a good squad. Check. But if it's that good, how come we're not doing better? Must be down to tactics, teams election etc then.

You could say. 'Look at Stockport. It could be worse if we change manager.' But for every Stockport there's a Barnet and Cheltenham and a Mansfield.

Maybe he is unlucky. If that's true then we're best shot of him. No one needs a Jonah on board.

You could say 'it's all the fans fault. For being demanding, gobby, negative, split.' Hmmm. Loud. Numerous. Willing to spend shedloads. I bet there's plenty of 'able' managers who would be happy to have this problem.

PS, all the talk about John Fenty not being capable of picking out a good manager (I think some people who don't want to change the manager use this argument).

It's nonsense. JF is just one director. Sure he's has the largest single shareholding but there are others on the board too. It just doesn't wash as an argument for not changing the manager any more, if it ever could.

Quoted from Bigdog

First of all may I thank all of the Fishy posters for the entertainment over the past few years.

I've finally bitten the bullet to air my opinion on this season and where the club stands.

For all of his mistakes which led us into non-league wilderness, John Fenty has to be applauded for his continued investment in the club. My problem with him is that although he is an ardent fan, he has little knowledge of the game and no experience in playing football, so unqualified as such to select the right manager.

If you look at the players, there are no real problems with the goalkeeper, three full backs, Tait, Robertson, East and three centre halves, Nsiala, Pearson, Gowling over the season. We have two strong performers in centre midfield in Disley and Clay. Clay has a great engine and is brilliant at winning the ball back, unheralded by some who only watch games when Town have the ball. How the hell he was dropped by Hurst twice I don't know. My friends who support other teams have always highlighted Clay as one of our best players. Dis is solid but I also think he has looked a little leggy this season. He is invaluable on the pitch and his leadership skills and experience should have been accommodated at times in a 3-5-2. Hurst was a full back so he's all about the predictable 4-4-2. If I were an opposing manager of a lesser team, it would be so easy to counteract the 4-4-2 with a 4-5-1 and flood the midfield if you set out to be negative or 3-5-2 to be positive. Every team in this league knows no matter what Hurst will play a 4-4-2. This is just not good enough to get us out of this league. As management goes it's inept. Our wide players have all been poor to average this year. Arnold at times shows flashes of brilliance but not consistently enough yet works hard in trying to win the ball back. For me, if a manager offers a friend a contract, that player has to be one of the best performers every week. Monkhouse is definitely not that. A great footballing brain without the legs to go with it. Pace frightens full backs not heading ability. Hardly notice him in most games apart from the reverse pass routine with Robertson from throw ins. Mackreth just wasn't good enough whereas Marshall at his best is far better than Monkhouse and Mackreth, more of a threat but has had little opportunity, now seemingly frozen out by Hurst and his confidence as a result looks shot. Up front it's obvious that Amond and Bogle are both class for this division in their own way and have done extremely well with the lack or service from behind them. They have been messed around by Hurst at times when it was clear to see if they didn't fire for a game or two they eventually would. That partnership should have been backed at all times barring injury. Footballers learn their trade on the pitch not sat on the bench like naughty schoolboys. Bogle and Amond both seem to be strikers that would benefit from us playing more football through a midfield three than the long ball which has been played too often this season.  How Ben Tomlinson was seen as a better option to either of them I do not know. JPP for me is not good enough as the primary back up striker to get out of this division and other than Alex Jones this has been a gaping hole in our squad all season. Lack of dangerous width, an alternative formation and tinkering with the wrong players at the wrong times has cost us this season big time.

Lets look at player acquisition too. To Hurst's credit Amond was a masterstroke. Bogle was a good signing but hardly a stroke of genius as every man and his dog was after him. Conor Townsend was brilliant and exactly the profile of footballer we should be signing in the loan market, a talented youngster not getting games at Championship level, to a lesser extent the same could be said of Alex Jones. After that we've had Nolan who seems ok at best then a long list of wasted opportunities to strengthen the squad, Tomlinson, such a bad touch for a striker, Robinson, not a patch on Clay, Alabi, Henderson, Horwood and Straker. Hurst in some eyes has a reputation for finding a player. For every good one he finds he signs two or three bad ones and tinkers with the team to accommodate them and upsets spirit in the dressing room. Not good enough in my book. Every signing has to count and make a difference. Just look at what Gary Johnson has done at Cheltenham.

So where are we now. I've seen on the Fishy the usual give Hurst til the end of the season, he might get us through the play-offs. There is a chance of that. But how about this. We get rid of him now and invest in a proper experienced manager who will have around fifteen good players to work with this season. I think it's a given we would make the play-offs at least and also give that manager time to build relationships with the players in order to be in a position to resign the best of them for the following season whatever division we are in. To not act now could set us as a football club back years as we wave goodbye to Gowling, Amond, Bogle, Nsiala, Tait, Clay, Arnold etc at the end of the season as Hurst won't take us up, gets fired and leaves the players in disarray.

The other unacceptable things about Hurst are his negativity, building the opposition up and his I know best attitude. All traits of someone who is protecting himself. He also never admits any mistakes. He belittles our fans by telling them we don't know enough about the game to know what he knows. This is just rubbish. I myself have played in a couple of leagues below where Town are now and against a fair few league sides. I'd like to think I could put an alternative and valid point of view to Hurst in a conversation about the club I love rather than him telling me I don't know enough about the game. And then there's the spoilt comment after Boreham Wood. Aren't we all in this together?

Finally, all we can do as fans is continue our fantastic support home and away which makes me so proud to be a fan of this club. What else have we got to offer prospective players other that a guaranteed sh4g in Cleethorpes every Saturday night. Our support sets us apart from every other non-league club and we've got to stick together until we get back to where we belong, hopefully with a new stadium in the offing. If John Fenty has a football brain and can afford it, hopefully he will be ruthless and sack Hurst now and invest wisely in a manager that can take us up, retain our best players and also be in this together with us, the fans.

Feel slightly better now that's off my chest, but 4-2 at Halifax FFS.

UTM

Totally 101% agree. Perhaps the best summary of the situation I have ever seen posted.

Know what? I have a feeling that PH hasn't just lost the fans, he's lost the dressing room too. The performances in 2016 are not those of a team that is playing for its manager. There have been too many silly selections this season, too many poor quality signings and still no sign that the manager's tactical nous has improved at all. He doesn't seem to be able to help the side when the going gets tough. He's a training ground wallah not a dugout manager.

I don't think Fenty would act just because the fans are unhappy but even he must know a manager who doesn't have the confidence of the team is a liability.

Stick with him, he might just fluke the play-offs this time....

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Know what? I have a feeling that PH hasn't just lost the fans, he's lost the dressing room too. The performances in 2016 are not those of a team that is playing for its manager. There have been too many silly selections this season, too many poor quality signings and still no sign that the manager's tactical nous has improved at all. He doesn't seem to be able to help the side when the going gets tough. He's a training ground wallah not a dugout manager.

I don't think Fenty would act just because the fans are unhappy but even he must know a manager who doesn't have the confidence of the team is a liability.

I fear you are right. The Woking match is huge, fail to win and Hurst should be out on Wednesday. I am not one who believes John Fenty has been bad for Grimsby Town over all. The one time I felt he needed to act quickly and didn't was in the season the club were relegated. I believed that Woods should have been replaced in January, 2010 and a new man brought in. Mr Fenty was too loyal to Woods and failed to do what was required. I hope he's learned from that because this season can still end in triumph; but if you're right (and Tuesday should give some indication of whether you are) then John Fenty must act quickly and decisively or the season will wither away.

BIG DOG great post I think 99.9% of fans will agree with you there it's so hard being a town fan all the hype of promotion every year -operation promotion we claw in over £100,000 for players and were STILL nowhere near good enough,were not busting our b*ll*cks to win this league he's had long enough for me he stands there like a cardboard cut-out on the sideline with his arms folded and says nothing how can a player get motivation from that too many changes again it's simply not good enough and the fans deserve better SPOILT on these last few months I don't think so !!!!!

We've won 8 out of the last 12 Conference games, drawn two, lost two.

The levels of hysteria on this board this evening, you'd think we had lost 8 out of those 12.

Little doubt that chances of the title are now long gone thanks to the incredible form shown by Cheltenham and FGR this season, but a run with a few poor performances doesn't mean the end of the season, especially when you consider we were on the verge of achieving a record winning-streak not much over a month ago! Despite the current wobble, we're plenty good enough to finish in the play-offs and then I just hope we manage to put three good performances together and get the luck on our side.

No confidence at all that we'll win promotion this season, but to think that we can't is daft.

Barnet got promoted last year with a proven quality manager at this level in Martin Allen.  Cheltenham  are doing it this year with a proven quality manager at this level in Gary Johnson.

Hurst isnt proven or at their level. Im not saying there is one out there available at the mo, but when there is we need to get them in. With our support, our budget, and current squad, a quality manager with the ability of either of  the aforementioned managers would get us out of this league.

Well done Bigdog...agree with every word you said.Dont wait so long before you post again. PS.   I have also played at a higher level than Hurst is capable of managing  i.e.   Bradley Amateurs,  West marsh Rovers,  Western Girls Netball Team., and not forgetting  Rag bottom Rovers  2nd eleven.

If we get to the play-off's I have no confidence in Hurst being tactical good enough to get us promoted. That's why I will not be going to Wembley if we get there, the disappointment will be bad enough not being there, being there will be totally depressing.

I hope I am wrong, but I can't see it.

Quoted from Biccys

JF is not the chairman, just for clarity.

In all but name.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

If we get to the play-off's I have no confidence in Hurst being tactical good enough to get us promoted. That's why I will not be going to Wembley if we get there, the disappointment will be bad enough not being there, being there will be totally depressing.

I hope I am wrong, but I can't see it.

I understand your problems but please reconsider if we get there. The more fans we have behind the players in that situation the better our chances are. I'd hate to have less there to create an amazing atmosphere as last year. Let's be honest despite the final result the players were energised by the atmosphere last year and we were unlucky not to win. The disappointment sucks but just imagine if we cheer them on to victory.

Quoted from WetFlannel

I understand your problems but please reconsider if we get there. The more fans we have behind the players in that situation the better our chances are. I'd hate to have less there to create an amazing atmosphere as last year. Let's be honest despite the final result the players were energised by the atmosphere last year and we were unlucky not to win. The disappointment sucks but just imagine if we cheer them on to victory.

How were we unlucky not to win?

We played better than Bristol Rovers, but we didn't beat them. How is that unlucky? That's failing to get the job done in my book.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

If we get to the play-off's I have no confidence in Hurst being tactical good enough to get us promoted. That's why I will not be going to Wembley if we get there, the disappointment will be bad enough not being there, being there will be totally depressing.

I hope I am wrong, but I can't see it.

You're going (if we somehow get there). I'm not driving myself down there. I need my chauffeur.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

How were we unlucky not to win?

We played better than Bristol Rovers, but we didn't beat them. How is that unlucky? That's failing to get the job done in my book.

Come on, let's not be unfair. We lost a playoff final on penalties after a good performance. Maybe we should've 'gotten the job done', but anyone who wasn't proud of true fans, the atmosphere and the effort of the players isn't being fair.

excellent post bigdog
for me Hurst has to go and JF and the directors have to be strong and they can change the season.

Hursts recent outbursts have been ill informed.
we should be spoilt, in fact we should be more spoilt and be challenging for the title.
as fans who do not have the knowledge. ok there are always comedy posters but many managers have only played to a level that is below that of GTFC. Jose Mourinho , is a prime example.

The original tinker man seems to have learnt his lesson at Leicester and players at the current level we are at will be inconsistant, if not they would not be playing for our beloved GTFC,

But they need games and support to hit their form and as aplayer it must be incrediblt soul destroying when loan players come in who do not add anything to the main 11.

thank you PH you come accross as a decent bloke and have done your best but i am afraid Rob Scott is right i do not believe we will ever get promotion with you. Teams should be worried about playing GTFC and you should not be changing our team to accomodate them.
this is a division we should be winning most games.

Quoted from WetFlannel

Come on, let's not be unfair. We lost a playoff final on penalties after a good performance. Maybe we should've 'gotten the job done', but anyone who wasn't proud of true fans, the atmosphere and the effort of the players isn't being fair.

I don't doubt any of that, but we failed. How we failed is irrelevant. We failed. A great manager finds a way to succeed. A lesser manager finds a way to fail.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I don't doubt any of that, but we failed. How we failed is irrelevant. We failed. A great manager finds a way to succeed. A lesser manager finds a way to fail.

Right, but knowing that our chances are greater with a loud, large crowd surely we should take away any personal vendettas and get behind the boys in a potential final. I'm not arguing for or against Hurst right now so his greatness is irrelevant!

Quoted from GollyGTFC

How were we unlucky not to win?

We played better than Bristol Rovers, but we didn't beat them. How is that unlucky? That's failing to get the job done in my book.

I think it was particularly unlucky that the ref decided not to send the Bristol keeper off.

Around this time last season I was ridiculed  and laughed at for suggesting Hurst be sacked after drawing to Chester and be replaced by Magnay.

A silly idea I know but the point was I had absolutely no faith in Hurst getting us promoted and I based that opinion on the season we had before and the season we had before that and the season we had before that etc etc do you get my point?

Nothing has happened this season that has changed my mind that this season will be any different from the previous 4, the inconsistency, negative tactics, poor substitutions, no plan B, misplaced loyalty on certain players and expecting the fans to believe that we don't deserve him.

I've had my signature thingy at the bottom of each post for the last 3 season and I still stand by it

Jose lost the players but never the fans,

If a great manager like him can not get the best out of his squad,

Hurst has no chance he has lost both the changing room and the fans,

Well most of them anyway,

Look how Chelsea have picked up since bringing in a new man in at the top.

Message to PH just to remind you what was aired in your post match interview;

"First and foremost I would like to thank the Grimsby fans who have travelled here today in massive numbers to support the team.
it is unfortunate that a small number responded to the poor performance of the team in the way they did, that was unnecessary, but we did not perform as a team and let them down today.  We have had a team discussion and our frustrations as a group have been aired, what was said will remain within the team,all I can say is that it was open and frank.  As a group we have to learn from today and relay the supporters with the results they, and we, aim and strive for.  The fans were certainly not spoilt today and on behalf of myself and the players I would like to apologise.  In sticking together, as a club, we will become stronger"

Oh wouldn't that be lovely!

Onwards and upwards, born Mariner and always a Mariner!

UT

Quoted from Cumbrian Mariner

Message to PH just to remind you what was aired in your post match interview;

"First and foremost I would like to thank the Grimsby fans who have travelled here today in massive numbers to support the team.
it is unfortunate that a small number responded to the poor performance of the team in the way they did, that was unnecessary, but we did not perform as a team and let them down today.  We have had a team discussion and our frustrations as a group have been aired, what was said will remain within the team,all I can say is that it was open and frank.  As a group we have to learn from today and relay the supporters with the results they, and we, aim and strive for.  The fans were certainly not spoilt today and on behalf of myself and the players I would like to apologise.  In sticking together, as a club, we will become stronger"

Oh wouldn't that be lovely!

Onwards and upwards, born Mariner and always a Mariner!

UT

OR

We have let our great fans down on too many occasions since I have been in charge,

So I resign.

Agreed time to go Hirst out

Think Hurst's tenure will end whether we win Play Offs or not (assuming we are in them). Ever developing rift with some fans, not really progressing as a team /style.
  In actual fact, as much as you don't like to see people lose jobs - I suspect Hurst will go voluntarily if we fail to get into the League this time. I'm also pretty sure he'd get a job elsewhere if he wanted one quite quickly.

Problem being who do you entrust then to take us over the line on an even more reduced budget? Not an easy answer. Personally I'd go for someone with no ties past or present with the club. But someone who has what it takes/has experience of achieving - but that won't come cheaply. Plus they'll want own squad etc.

Thats why this season IS that important...it isn't over yet and maybe the blip is best to occur now than in a month or so time. Time to sit down,reflect,react and then put it right. Starting Tuesday.

Pearson in for me instead of Ansiala. Get playing ball on floor, utilise pace of Arnold out wide, press opposition like they were doing until December. Force mistakes. Start to play as a team again. Any bad influences/ego's..cast them aside.

Honestly cant see Hurst going anywhere until season is over/dead. So I guess it's now a case of support as well  as players/manager doing what they can to turn things around.

Quoted from Cumbrian Mariner

Message to PH just to remind you what was aired in your post match interview;


it is unfortunate that a small number responded to the poor performance of the team



UT

Listening to  radio it sounded like a lot more than a small number.

Quoted from ROKERITE

I fear you are right. The Woking match is huge, fail to win and Hurst should be out on Wednesday. I am not one who believes John Fenty has been bad for Grimsby Town over all. The one time I felt he needed to act quickly and didn't was in the season the club were relegated. I believed that Woods should have been replaced in January, 2010 and a new man brought in. Mr Fenty was too loyal to Woods and failed to do what was required. I hope he's learned from that because this season can still end in triumph; but if you're right (and Tuesday should give some indication of whether you are) then John Fenty must act quickly and decisively or the season will wither away.

I don't think Fenty  will have learned anything from his past mistakes. If Hurst was sacked (unlikely) or resigned, there will be no acting quickly or decisively.

He will ask for applications, which will take weeks and then make the wrong choice anyway.

Other owners would have all these possible outcomes in mind, and have a man in mind that would fit the bill, but I have no faith in Fenty whatsoever.

I was hoping against hope that Hurst would take us up, simply to avoid Fenty having to make any decisions but even that hope is receding.

I don't know whats gone wrong in the last month, as we seemed to have a really close knit team, but we better get it sorted asap to get into those play offs where anything can happen.

Lenny Lawrence was lined up before Buckley was sacked that worked out well.

It does not matter what we think Fenty will not sack Hurst until we can not make the play offs,

If we make Wembley again he will give Hurst another year even if we lose the final,

Next year he will have to manage without our £110,000.

I will not give him any of my money while he is in charge.

Peter if john fenty respects this club and our fans he will thank paul for his effort and say this is were we part company.

Quoted from monkeyboy

3-0 Down to Halifax, bloody embarasing. Sorry but tactically inept.

Think he was tactically wrong but people need to recognise how badly the players performed yesterday. There were schoolboy errors every few seconds and simply clueless displays by almost everyone.

On a bad day, with no training and no team talk we should have brushed HFx aside.

Quoted from Grim74

Sack him get rid bring someone in NOW who can assess the squad and build for next season.

So we are saying goodbye to the play-offs and going up this year? The team that played yesterday are going nowhere. The team that played them at home are going back to the football league.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I don't think Fenty  will have learned anything from his past mistakes. If Hurst was sacked (unlikely) or resigned, there will be no acting quickly or decisively.

He will ask for applications, which will take weeks and then make the wrong choice anyway.

Other owners would have all these possible outcomes in mind, and have a man in mind that would fit the bill, but I have no faith in Fenty whatsoever.

I was hoping against hope that Hurst would take us up, simply to avoid Fenty having to make any decisions but even that hope is receding.

I don't know whats gone wrong in the last month, as we seemed to have a really close knit team, but we better get it sorted asap to get into those play offs where anything can happen.

Whilst I agree with most of what you say I don't with the highlighted part. As we are lying third in the league and up until these last two results were within striking distance ( albeit slim ) of the top spot then I wouldn't imagine the Board or JF would be thinking of eyeing up a replacement for Hurst. Whichever way we go now will be a huge gamble and it's easy for fans on here to say which decision to take because they don't have to live with the consequences either way. For what it's worth I think PH should have gone in 2014 when we failed to reach the play-off final. Conversely, because of him reaching the final in 2015 then I think he should have been kept for this season. For many reasons we have never really challenged for the top spot and we certainly seemed to have hit a wall at the moment ( something I think we all hoped would happen to Cheltenham and Village Green ). I really don't know what would be best for the club at this moment in time as regards PH remaining manager and I'm glad it's not my decision to make. If we were to fail to get promoted and he was to go at the end of the season then whoever came in would have a massive squad rebuilding to do. If he was to go now then a new manager would have time to work with the present squad ( something Shorty and Shouty did when Woods went) but we could possibly miss out on promotion this year. A point to remember is that when we last appointed a manager we were a newly relegated league team and we were turned down by a few " recognised " managers and had to opt for fifth( ? ) choice. Now we have been down here for several seasons why should we be any the more attractive for a recognised manager who could achieve promotion? I'm not saying we wouldn't be but merely playing devil's advocate and looking at it from an objective angle.
Whatever happens I'm glad it's not my decision to make but one thing is for sure and that is I will support this club, and all it entails for as long as I am physically able. UTM

Quoted from Maringer

We've won 8 out of the last 12 Conference games, drawn two, lost two.

The levels of hysteria on this board this evening, you'd think we had lost 8 out of those 12.

Little doubt that chances of the title are now long gone thanks to the incredible form shown by Cheltenham and FGR this season, but a run with a few poor performances doesn't mean the end of the season, especially when you consider we were on the verge of achieving a record winning-streak not much over a month ago! Despite the current wobble, we're plenty good enough to finish in the play-offs and then I just hope we manage to put three good performances together and get the luck on our side.

No confidence at all that we'll win promotion this season, but to think that we can't is daft.

That's just picking stats to suit. Why 12 games? I predict that after 3 more bad results it'll be "we've won 8 out of 15. That's not bad."

Quoted from rancido

Whilst I agree with most of what you say I don't with the highlighted part. As we are lying third in the league and up until these last two results were within striking distance ( albeit slim ) of the top spot then I wouldn't imagine the Board or JF would be thinking of eyeing up a replacement for Hurst. Whichever way we go now will be a huge gamble and it's easy for fans on here to say which decision to take because they don't have to live with the consequences either way. For what it's worth I think PH should have gone in 2014 when we failed to reach the play-off final. Conversely, because of him reaching the final in 2015 then I think he should have been kept for this season. For many reasons we have never really challenged for the top spot and we certainly seemed to have hit a wall at the moment ( something I think we all hoped would happen to Cheltenham and Village Green ). I really don't know what would be best for the club at this moment in time as regards PH remaining manager and I'm glad it's not my decision to make. If we were to fail to get promoted and he was to go at the end of the season then whoever came in would have a massive squad rebuilding to do. If he was to go now then a new manager would have time to work with the present squad ( something Shorty and Shouty did when Woods went) but we could possibly miss out on promotion this year. A point to remember is that when we last appointed a manager we were a newly relegated league team and we were turned down by a few " recognised " managers and had to opt for fifth( ? ) choice. Now we have been down here for several seasons why should we be any the more attractive for a recognised manager who could achieve promotion? I'm not saying we wouldn't be but merely playing devil's advocate and looking at it from an objective angle.
Whatever happens I'm glad it's not my decision to make but one thing is for sure and that is I will support this club, and all it entails for as long as I am physically able. UTM

I take your point, but the unexpected happens so quickly in football and the owner should be ready for it. A month ago we were ticking over nicely, and I think that suits Fenty perfectly, but as soon as the going gets a bit tougher he is unable to be decisive.

I think the point about the difficulty in attracting a new manager is a moot point. It cannot be  because of our history, as that is second to none. It cannot be  about the support we are able to attract as that is self evident. It cannot be about our potential as we have played at a higher level for a lot of the time than teams like Swansea and Bournemouth who  both had crowds similar to ours. It cannot be the geographical location - in location terms I would rather manage Town than Carlisle or Exeter.

So what is it? Budget and wages? The owners lack of vison/ambition? The feeling that we are a big club in name only and don't have the blueprint to be great again? Who knows.

In fairness it is now difficult for Hurst and Fenty. If we stick or twist and it doesn't work they had better be ready for some pelters coming their way.

Was just looking through a list of available managers just in case Mr Fenty pulls the trigger. No preference myself. There's a bit of talent out there we could possibly attract as a well supported club hunting for promotion rather than a club fighting relegation. One or two may need the board to invest a little more in the most important position at our football club. I just don't subscribe to the theory that we can't get better than Hurst. Nine promotion spots gone in the past four and a half seasons. Not recommendations from me but maybe a list worth discussing..

Neil Redfearn
Steve Cotterill
Chris Powell
Neil Adams
Dave Jones
Mark Robins
Mark Cooper
Gary Megson
Ronnie Moore
Richard Money

Your thoughts?

From a business point of view - surely not wise to continually criticise the paying customer week after week?

Teams in League 1 would have been envious of some our away followings.

Quoted from Bigdog

Was just looking through a list of available managers just in case Mr Fenty pulls the trigger. No preference myself. There's a bit of talent out there we could possibly attract as a well supported club hunting for promotion rather than a club fighting relegation. One or two may need the board to invest a little more in the most important position at our football club. I just don't subscribe to the theory that we can't get better than Hurst. Nine promotion spots gone in the past four and a half seasons. Not recommendations from me but maybe a list worth discussing..

Neil Redfearn
Steve Cotterill
Chris Powell
Neil Adams
Dave Jones
Mark Robins
Mark Cooper
Gary Megson
Ronnie Moore
Richard Money

Your thoughts?

If Hurst went this week I'd go for Ronnie Moore as a very short-term option. He rescued Hartlepool when even their most die-hard supporter had accepted they'd be in The National League 2015-16. I think he could give that instant impetus to take Grimsby Town up this season.
If Hurst is still at Grimsby come April then that's a different matter.

Quoted from Bigdog

Was just looking through a list of available managers just in case Mr Fenty pulls the trigger. No preference myself. There's a bit of talent out there we could possibly attract as a well supported club hunting for promotion rather than a club fighting relegation. One or two may need the board to invest a little more in the most important position at our football club. I just don't subscribe to the theory that we can't get better than Hurst. Nine promotion spots gone in the past four and a half seasons. Not recommendations from me but maybe a list worth discussing..

Neil Redfearn
Steve Cotterill
Chris Powell
Neil Adams
Dave Jones
Mark Robins
Mark Cooper
Gary Megson
Ronnie Moore
Richard Money

Your thoughts?

Whether he still wants to manage I wouldn't mind seeing Dave Jones be given a go if Hurst leaves the club.

How much does it cost to get rid of him - sure there's enough people out there to crowdfund it!

Quoted from Bigdog

Was just looking through a list of available managers just in case Mr Fenty pulls the trigger. No preference myself. There's a bit of talent out there we could possibly attract as a well supported club hunting for promotion rather than a club fighting relegation. One or two may need the board to invest a little more in the most important position at our football club. I just don't subscribe to the theory that we can't get better than Hurst. Nine promotion spots gone in the past four and a half seasons. Not recommendations from me but maybe a list worth discussing..

Neil Redfearn
Steve Cotterill
Chris Powell
Neil Adams
Dave Jones
Mark Robins
Mark Cooper
Gary Megson
Ronnie Moore
Richard Money

Your thoughts?

It's hardly an inspiring list, some of them haven't managed in years. I wouldn't fancy a costly gamble on one of them at this time in the season.

Quoted from Jaws

How much does it cost to get rid of him - sure there's enough people out there to crowdfund it!

It shouldn't cost much at all he is only on a rolling contract