Vote of Confidence

Let's back him or sack him

Back. I contributed in Budget Boost as total faith in Hurst having his men wearing the shirt with pride. A feature sadly lacking for so long in times not so long past.

So stay the course for me. Post mortem when all is said and done on best way to move forward.

Right now all this is poison to the cause (imo), though I can clearly see and understand people's frustrations.

It's not our choice to make

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

It's not our choice to make

I know. It's hilarious. Every time we lose a game  we get this navel gazing over reaction.

Quoted from barralad

I know. It's hilarious. Every time we lose a game  we get this navel gazing over reaction.

Although i agree with the sentiment that it's not our choice to make, i don't think calls to replace Hurst are a navel gazing over-reaction. I think, in fact i'm convinced, we can and should do better. I don't think people will realise how average Hurst is until we get a real winner.

Been here too long now same old season after season it's Very boring and non motivational I've stood by him all the way through his time here but my patience has finally give in not just because of the Cheltenham result but just As a whole too defensive for me a fresh change or approach is needed imo utm

What Barralad said x100 this vote means nothing and is only a tiny percentage of the GTFC populous.

For the people saying a chimp could get this side to the top I say bollox.

If it were that easy we would have been up years ago.

I repeat money DOES make a difference some of these sides are WELL FUNDED.

We have no god given right to be walking this league the sooner some of you accept that the better.

This season is far from over get behind the team and manager.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

What Barralad said x100 this vote means nothing and is only a tiny percentage of the GTFC populous.

For the people saying a chimp could get this side to the top I say bollox.

If it were that easy we would have been up years ago.

I repeat money DOES make a difference some of these sides are WELL FUNDED.

We have no god given right to be walking this league the sooner some of you accept that the better.

This season is far from over get behind the team and manager.

First highlighted part i disagree with.

Second highlighted part i do agree with and i do still get behind the team and manager at BP.

Quoted from ginnywings

Although i agree with the sentiment that it's not our choice to make, i don't think calls to replace Hurst are a navel gazing over-reaction. I think, in fact i'm convinced, we can and should do better. I don't think people will realise how average Hurst is until we get a real winner.

Sorry but the sheer fact that they only ever appear after a defeat suggests otherwise.  The Fishy has aalways been a vehicle whereby people can let off steam and air their frustration after a defeat but the reaction to Friday night has been laughably disproportionate..

Quoted from barralad

Sorry but the sheer fact that they only ever appear after a defeat suggests otherwise.  The Fishy has aalways been a vehicle whereby people can let off steam and air their frustration after a defeat but the reaction to Friday night has been laughably disproportionate..

Sorry but you do seem to have a dig at anyone who has a different opinion to yours. i respect your views , so respect ours , when we have a manager who knows what he is doing i will back him , that is not what we have now

Theres obvious frustration, can understand both sides, But agree with Barra in that when we lose, their is an immense overreaction on this board. I dont think anyone is particuarly pleased with where we are currently, But i believe in PH and the players will get us there this season, If not, then it is time for Paul to go. And like i said the last we lost: drew with- a team we supposedly should beat, there is no way this board will sack PH in the postion we are in

Quoted from denni266

Sorry but you do seem to have a dig at anyone who has a different opinion to yours. i respect your views , so respect ours , when we have a manager who knows what he is doing i will back him , that is not what we have now

Feel free not to respect my views. I'm honestly not bothered. I don't resort to personal abuse.  I"m just thankful that the powers that be arent so volatile as this board in such circumstances.

Ideally, I would like a change of manager. I do believe PH is passionate about winning promotion but each and every time we get close, we fall away. We seem incapable of beating anything better than a beefed up pub side - a recurring theme. He has had time, lots of it. Have we every genuinely challenged for that top spot come May? Last season, we got close after our run in March / April and predictably fell away.

I would wait for now as PH, or rather the quality of the squad will keep us relatively in the play off mix. If we sack PH, it would have to be for a 'winner' manager.

Not ideal to change a manager mid season but if someone like Steve Evans (maybe moved out of our level nowadays) or a John Still became available then have a quiet word before dismissing the manager.

It comes down to whether or not you believe PH will win the league for us - I don't think he will.

Whatever you think, changing him now will be a mistake and probably a costly one. Someone new will want to bring in their own players in January and it'll be all over the place. May is the time to make this judgement.

Quoted from ginnywings

First highlighted part i disagree with.

Second highlighted part i do agree with and i do still get behind the team and manager at BP.

I don't see how you can disagree with the first part! The hardened GTFC populous is probably 2,500 to 3,000 fans. Now compare this to The Fishy members who will vote and you will see how accurate the initial statement was.

I don't think the reaction is a result of losing,but the manner in which we played,it is glaring apparent we have been short of a midfielder since the start of the season,yet Hurst has remained stubbornly immobile ,couple with his indecisive inaction and his reluctance to make changes during a game until it is too late.
It was apparent to all the game was crynig out for pace but McKreth was left sitting on the bench.

Quoted from friskneymariner

I don't think the reaction is a result of losing,but the manner in which we played,it is glaring apparent we have been short of a midfielder since the start of the season,yet Hurst has remained stubbornly immobile ,couple with his indecisive inaction and his reluctance to make changes during a game until it is too late.
It was apparent to all the game was crynig out for pace but McKreth was left sitting on the bench.

With all due respect I don't think McKreth would have made the slightest difference to the outcome and as for his " pace ", I'm still waiting to see real evidence of this!

Perhaps a midfielder of the quality and temperament required to improve on what we have could not be sourced/we just missed out out. We don't want to bring in average players just to pad the squad out.

Quoted from rancido

With all due respect I don't think McKreth would have made the slightest difference to the outcome and as for his " pace ", I'm still waiting to see real evidence of this!

I would agree with your comments ,but of all the options he had McKreth would have been the best.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

What Barralad said x100 this vote means nothing and is only a tiny percentage of the GTFC populous.

For the people saying a chimp could get this side to the top I say bollox.

If it were that easy we would have been up years ago.

I repeat money DOES make a difference some of these sides are WELL FUNDED.

We have no god given right to be walking this league the sooner some of you accept that the better.

This season is far from over get behind the team and manager.

If money matters so much why are we behind Bromley, Dover, Braintree ..........?
It's attitude and spirit that count. We are being out-teamed not out-spent.

Quoted from rancido

I don't see how you can disagree with the first part! The hardened GTFC populous is probably 2,500 to 3,000 fans. Now compare this to The Fishy members who will vote and you will see how accurate the initial statement was.

I disagree because it's not true. You have absolutely no idea how many of those 3 thousand want a change of manager. You are implying that only people on the fishy want a change but everyone i speak to wants it and none of them use the fishy. It's certainly not a tiny minority for sure.

Well they're certainly not in slightest bit vocal at matches home or away - usually long in the buildup long before the board make such a call there is incessant booing, heckling and "Hurst out!", "Sack the board" chanting.

I still sense a patience and underlying belief as the 5150 home fans on Friday night for a televised game where there would be family Halloween parties galore proved

Quoted from ginnywings

I disagree because it's not true. You have absolutely no idea how many of those 3 thousand want a change of manager. You are implying that only people on the fishy want a change but everyone i speak to wants it and none of them use the fishy. It's certainly not a tiny minority for sure.

this, i am experiencing the same thing from fans i know ,with only one of them being a forum member .

The thing is I am still undecided,

I am not sure if Hurst will take us up,

BUT

Unless I know who will replace him , I will stick with him for now,

I just want him to be a little bit more adventuress ,

He always seems he is happy with a draw when we could have gone on and won,

Out of the 9 games we have drawn  if we had W 3  D3  L3,

We would have 12 pts from those games instead of 9pts,

So its worth going for the win even if you lose the odd game.

Quoted from Rik e B

Well they're certainly not in slightest bit vocal at matches home or away - usually long in the buildup long before the board make such a call there is incessant booing, heckling and "Hurst out!", "Sack the board" chanting.

I still sense a patience and underlying belief as the 5150 home fans on Friday night for a televised game where there would be family Halloween parties galore proved

I would be quite happy for Hurst to go. So would the majority of people I know (I'm only counting the ones that actually go). But NOT ONE of us boo's as far as I know. This board is my means of expressing discontent. If it gets to the stage I do that at games, I will just stay away. The fact that the crowd are not chanting for change doesn't mean they are happy at the moment. In contrast with Barra and one or two others, I feel this board is a fairly accurate representation of feelings overall. Maybe we move in different social circles !!

Quoted from Rik e B

Well they're certainly not in slightest bit vocal at matches home or away - usually long in the buildup long before the board make such a call there is incessant booing, heckling and "Hurst out!", "Sack the board" chanting.

I still sense a patience and underlying belief as the 5150 home fans on Friday night for a televised game where there would be family Halloween parties galore proved

I agree. You usually know when a manager is on his last legs, and some home matches can become unpleasant just before the axe falls (usually a trigger for the board to act)

This clearly is not the case here; over 5000 home fans (more than we got in the Championship most weeks) and not the slightest hint of any orchestrated ill feeling towards the manager.

Most people I know are still angry at how the club was allowed to fall so low, but appreciate 100% that Hurst is not part of that debacle and is doing all he can to put it right, and to get a 5k attendance on a Friday night shows he has plenty of support.

Sadly we don't have the biggest budget, and although we have better players than previous years they are still non league players for a reason so we are not going to be totally consistent or win every game.

Add to that the fact the "board" wouldn't have a clue on who to appoint if he was sacked then it seems sensible to let Hurst have the remainder of this season to get us up. Play offs are obviously a minimum, and failure to get into them will cost him his job.    

Well fair play to the discontented portion for not bringing a poisonous vitriol to the match day experience. We all want Town promoted and that just breeds negativity which snowballs and spreads into the dressing room. Yes they then get what they want but at the detriment of points on the board here and now no doubt.

We've had too many years of a cursed cloud of negativity at the Park, yes people's frustrations are understandable but the present incumbents not the ones responsible and they can only work with what we've got now. I'm just glad most seem to have grasped this now and watching Town has become for the most part enjoyable again. It really does put me on edge to have naysayers all around me spitting expletives at the players, they hear and look over towards me. It's not a nice feeling and not conducive to togetherness or them wanting to give their all for us.

The rapport between the players and fans has made being a Town fan the best since the days of Livvo et al, I'm loving it all despite the division. Yes it's embarrassing in the banter stakes with outsiders but who can say that say Harrogate in the FA Cup preliminary was not a fantastic day out?

It's not an acceptance of mediocrity, it's an acceptance of what is, here and now. This is where we're at -budget, standard of players willing to come to us etc etc. Enjoying the moment but striving to build for a better future.

Quoted from Civvy at last

I would be quite happy for Hurst to go. So would the majority of people I know (I'm only counting the ones that actually go). But NOT ONE of us boo's as far as I know. This board is my means of expressing discontent. If it gets to the stage I do that at games, I will just stay away. The fact that the crowd are not chanting for change doesn't mean they are happy at the moment. In contrast with Barra and one or two others, I feel this board is a fairly accurate representation of feelings overall. Maybe we move in different social circles !!

Just before I replied I looked at the "score". 34 to 29 in favour of him going which is hardly the huge majority that you'd expect given the anecdotal evidence presented. As for this board being a true representation of the feelings of the fan base as a whole there are a dozen or so people who post very regularly who don't rate Hurst. Nowt wrong with that expression of opinion whether it's agreed with by others or not. The problem comes when you assume that the number of posts made isnt unduly skewed by that input. The unassailable fact is that despite a comparatively large number of members the regular posters form a tiny fraction of GTFC fanbase from whichever side of the debate they come.

I for what it is worth feel that Paul Hurst is a very capable and professional managers, well respected throughout the game,but can he motivate his players to run through walls for him?

I think that is where he is lacking and that is the dividing line between champions and also rans.

It seems a lot of the staunchly pro-Hurst brigade are hacked off at certain things and on the waiver. I'd call myself one too. I still advocate sticking with our man but the lack of fulfilment of the potential of this squad is galling.

All the time it's IF this had of just happened, or in three games time we COULD be here etc. We need that elusive winning streak, Hursts teams have always done it before but we're limping along unable to find that next gear at the minute. And this is the best squad we've ever had at this level so thats worrying.

It appears harsh moaning when we in the mix up there but with our best ever squad and one of the weakest ever leagues many are pulling their hair out at our inability to grasp the nettle and claim that holy grail.

We should be laying down a marker, making clear our intentions etc but it's not forthcoming at present.

It's true I feel that Hurst sets up conservatively and that is not the way to maximise the players at our disposal. Unfortunately he seems a bit of a one - trick pony -we gotta have a Shop character up front and doesn't seem to know another way.  We should have a Plan B and C pre-drilled into the squad that we can turn to at a flick of a switch but it just seems if the original plan doesn't work or the opposition counteract our strengths we just become void of ideas and instantly blunted.

I don't bloody know the answer, im just a punter along for the ride. I do know however that after all our previous the thought of turmoil and upheaval sends chills down my spine and conjures thoughts of a couple seasons (all the while in this god forsaken league of course) rebuilding.

But could it be a case of he who dares? Unfortunately none of us are armed with hindsight. Both paths could bring unimaginable joy or downright despair. At least the Hurst path has little possibility or sailing into stormy seas or worst case utter anihilation! Mind numbing still waters maybe  

Quoted from Rik e B

Well fair play to the discontented portion for not bringing a poisonous vitriol to the match day experience. We all want Town promoted and that just breeds negativity which snowballs and spreads into the dressing room. Yes they then get what they want but at the detriment of points on the board here and now no doubt.

We've had too many years of a cursed cloud of negativity at the Park, yes people's frustrations are understandable but the present incumbents not the ones responsible and they can only work with what we've got now. I'm just glad most seem to have grasped this now and watching Town has become for the most part enjoyable again. It really does put me on edge to have naysayers all around me spitting expletives at the players, they hear and look over towards me. It's not a nice feeling and not conducive to togetherness or them wanting to give their all for us.

The rapport between the players and fans has made being a Town fan the best since the days of Livvo et al, I'm loving it all despite the division. Yes it's embarrassing in the banter stakes with outsiders but who can say that say Harrogate in the FA Cup preliminary was not a fantastic day out?

It's not an acceptance of mediocrity, it's an acceptance of what is, here and now. This is where we're at -budget, standard of players willing to come to us etc etc. Enjoying the moment but striving to build for a better future.

We all want success but success means promotion not nearly promotion or the play-offs or even winning the Trophy. I think we all agree that he deserved another chance but it's getting to the point now where someone has to decide firstly, if and secondly, when PH has taken the club as far as he can take it. This is what I've been banging on about - who is it that makes that decision? The board is now full of so many diverse interests that I can't for the life of me see how it will play out (if at all!) Not, thankfully, that it's any of my business.

My stomach turns at football politics and those who are in there as a status symbol/for the perks  (not that I lay that at the current board just digressing there) but I would guess as always it would be a democratic vote. Of which the trust would have one ballot.

Even with Fenty as Commander in Chief I think he was outvoted on some appointments/dismissals.

As for the trophy. Play the kids, bloody nuisance thing -getting out of this league and a smattering of the romance of the FA Cup should be the be all and end all. Nothing should be given the remotest inkling of a possibility of hampering our endless strive for league football. Wembley is cack anyway, total ripoff and not even novel anymore.

Think everyone knows my views on here

I did start a thread two years ago this Xmas , asking the question if Hurst doesn't get us promoted, should he go at the end of the season.

Then last year there was another vote about Hurst going, and the last time I saw it the vote was well and truly in favour of getting rid, but for some strange reason I can't find either thread.

Think the fishy police didn't agree with them, so maybe got deleted

Anyway I still want him gone, think nothing has changed with the guy and nothing ever will IMHO

I voted no, not because i'd boo the team or manager, not because it would stop me going to games either. Mainly because i've felt for this season and last season that i've seen what he is capable of and don't really have the faith its enough. He can spot a player - no doubt. He can assemble a decent squad and get the togetherness right - no doubt. What he can't do, is tactics. He is consistently out managed by better managers with lesser squads (imo). A lot of talk is about he is learning, a young manager improving, i don't buy that. He might be improving in points per season or the odd place, but he has shown his colours and is confident that he doesn't need to change them, there in lies the question, are you happy with a manager who is happy with a draw, sets his stall out and refuses to change it until usually too late and almost always like for like subs or, do you want a manager who seeks out wins, instills confidence both to the players and the fans? I kind of don't blame the board in a way, a steady manager who will pretty much guarantee playoffs but barely shows glimpses of a winning mentality, it must be hard to gamble on someone else.  

Quoted from MuddyWaters

We all want success but success means promotion not nearly promotion or the play-offs or even winning the Trophy. I think we all agree that he deserved another chance but it's getting to the point now where someone has to decide firstly, if and secondly, when PH has taken the club as far as he can take it. This is what I've been banging on about - who is it that makes that decision? The board is now full of so many diverse interests that I can't for the life of me see how it will play out (if at all!) Not, thankfully, that it's any of my business.

I'm going to have one more go at this.....

Why does an individual have to be the one who makes the decision? GTFC have a Board made up of people each of whom brings something different to the table in terms of what they can offer for the furtherment of GTFC. The days of board members not pulling their weight are long gone. As part of the Trust Board of Management I get to listen to reports about the work being done and there is a great deal of hard work being carried out on behalf of the club-a lot of it under the radar as it were.  Do they need to be the same, think the same? Not for me they don't. I actually don't think you are but if I've misunderstood and you are saying that the Board has conflicting interests then could you expand on that? In an organisation that has a Board of Directors (I'm not really business orientated but isn't it a stipulation of Company Law that a PLC has to have a Board of Directors?) there is a situation of "collective responsibility" for decision making surely? Each Board member will have responsibility for a different part of the business and will lead on that in discussion with some decisions cutting across the divides.  We as fans have a vested interest in our decision making through our two board members. "Our" directors will inform debate by making others aware of the way fans look at situations. It ranks as a major success in my eyes that there are two fans representative directors. A lot of clubs fans are envious of the position we are in in that respect. Personally I wouldn't want us to be in the position where one person unilaterally made all of the big decisions. JF was criticised to the rooftops when it looked like he was making decisions on his own.
The other thing that occured to me was that in organisations I've been involved with the chairman of an organisation doesn't actually play that big a part in discussion. (Look at the Premier League. Roman Abramovich may be the money man but he most definitely isn't Chelsea's chairman.) They are there to chair meetings ensuring that all points of view are heard and in the unlikely situation of a stalemate exercise a casting vote. That may be an over-simplification but does beg the question as to whether there is any adverse effect from not having someone fulfill the role

Quoted from Rik e B

My stomach turns at football politics and those who are in there as a status symbol/for the perks  (not that I lay that at the current board just digressing there) but I would guess as always it would be a democratic vote. Of which the trust would have one ballot.

Even with Fenty as Commander in Chief I think he was outvoted on some appointments/dismissals.

As for the trophy. Play the kids, bloody nuisance thing -getting out of this league and a smattering of the romance of the FA Cup should be the be all and end all. Nothing should be given the remotest inkling of a possibility of hampering our endless strive for league football. Wembley is cack anyway, total ripoff and not even novel anymore.

Very good post. Just one small point. The Trust have two GTFC Board members so it follows that we would have two votes in that case.

Quoted from 28195

Let's back him or sack him

Not having a dig but just interested which way the original poster voted.

Quoted from barralad

Very good post. Just one small point. The Trust have two GTFC Board members so it follows that we would have two votes in that case.

That being the case, would the Trust board members canvas the Trust members before voting or would they just go on their own judgment?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

That being the case, would the Trust board members canvas the Trust members before voting or would they just go on their own judgment?

Surely they would canvas its members I would've thought

Quoted from MuddyWaters

That being the case, would the Trust board members canvas the Trust members before voting or would they just go on their own judgment?

In an ideal world I suppose a consultation exercise would be great. Realistically they take some organising (The vote for the share give away to JF was a monster to organise) and decisions have to be made quickly some times so the latter is much more likely. Speaking as someone who has had the honour to work with both of them for over three years now I can safely say that in my opinion, in any voting scenario they would always have the best interests of GTFC at heart.

Quoted from barralad

In an ideal world I suppose a consultation exercise would be great. Realistically they take some organising (The vote for the share give away to JF was a monster to organise) and decisions have to be made quickly some times so the latter is much more likely. Speaking as someone who has had the honour to work with both of them for over three years now I can safely say that in my opinion, in any voting scenario they would always have the best interests of GTFC at heart.

Is there a difference between the best interests of GTFC and the best interests of the Mariners Trust members who the gentlemen concerned are supposed to represent?

I'm not suggesting any impropriety, merely that they recognise their responsibility is to the people they represent.

Spot on ref Wembley
Come on Town!!

So after 100 votes we are split, with no marginally ahead. I don't think this is a knee jerk reaction, we are getting fed up, only getting 2 points from a club nearly going bust sums it up for me.

Quoted from barralad

Very good post. Just one small point. The Trust have two GTFC Board members so it follows that we would have two votes in that case.

Even better then! I think it's great we've got some of our own on here who can explain some of the inner delvings of what goes on in the boardroom. Had a very grey and murky feel in years gone by and I'm sure for many fans of other clubs it still is.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Is there a difference between the best interests of GTFC and the best interests of the Mariners Trust members who the gentlemen concerned are supposed to represent?

I'm not suggesting any impropriety, merely that they recognise their responsibility is to the people they represent.

Well I'm glad about that at least! I probably should've known better than to try to reply given your penchant for setting traps  
Of course the Trust Board members of the Board of GTFC are there to represent the fans-the clue is in the title. However they are the representatives of the fans on a body charged with the furtherment of the fortunes of GTFC
You'd better give me a scenario where you think there could be a conflict of interest because for the life of me I cannot think of one.

And the Trust board/important positions are elected by the Trust members are they not?

Quoted from barralad

Well I'm glad about that at least! I probably should've known better than to try to reply given your penchant for setting traps  
Of course the Trust Board members of the Board of GTFC are there to represent the fans-the clue is in the title. However they are the representatives of the fans on a body charged with the furtherment of the fortunes of GTFC
You'd better give me a scenario where you think there could be a conflict of interest because for the life of me I cannot think of one.

FFS - I'm not setting traps, I'm asking a question. The thread title gives a clue - if the board is asked whether or not they support the manager, do they get opportunity to ask the people they represent or not? It's a pretty simple scenario.

It's a tough one from my viewpoint.

Do I believe Hurst will win us the title? No.
Do I believe Hurst will get us in the play-offs? Definitely.
Do I believe Hurst will win promotion via the play-offs? 50/50 (so I guess you could say I don't necessarily believe he WILL)

If I were Chairman of the Club, or on the board, I would be quietly sounding out a potential manager who would be open to coming in and taking over from Hurst. An experienced manager who could work with the good squad we've got (but for a few loans), get more out of them and bring a winning mentality and tactics to match. If I could find this man quietly behind the scenes, I'd then relieve Hurst of his duties and appoint the new man.

However, as a supporter, I'm not confident that if the board replaced Hurst, they'd appoint the right man. Nor quickly enough. So I'm torn between wanting more from a squad I believe can achieve more than it is doing, and settling for what we've got and hoping we'll be successful in the inevitable play-offs involvement in May.

FFS - I'm not setting traps, I'm asking a question. The thread title gives a clue - if the board is asked whether or not they support the manager, do they get opportunity to ask the people they represent or not? It's a pretty simple scenario.[/quote]

And one I answered

In an ideal world I suppose a consultation exercise would be great. Realistically they take some organising (The vote for the share give away to JF was a monster to organise) and decisions have to be made quickly some times so the latter is much more likely. Speaking as someone who has had the honour to work with both of them for over three years now I can safely say that in my opinion, in any voting scenario they would always have the best interests of GTFC at heart. [quote=1122]

Back to you....

Quoted from Tommy

It's a tough one from my viewpoint.

Do I believe Hurst will win us the title? No.
Do I believe Hurst will get us in the play-offs? Definitely.
Do I believe Hurst will win promotion via the play-offs? 50/50 (so I guess you could say I don't necessarily believe he WILL)

If I were Chairman of the Club, or on the board, I would be quietly sounding out a potential manager who would be open to coming in and taking over from Hurst. An experienced manager who could work with the good squad we've got (but for a few loans), get more out of them and bring a winning mentality and tactics to match. If I could find this man quietly behind the scenes, I'd then relieve Hurst of his duties and appoint the new man.

However, as a supporter, I'm not confident that if the board replaced Hurst, they'd appoint the right man. Nor quickly enough. So I'm torn between wanting more from a squad I believe can achieve more than it is doing, and settling for what we've got and hoping we'll be successful in the inevitable play-offs involvement in May.

Good post and my thoughts are in that same basket. IF the trigger was ever to be pulled some skulldugerous tapping up of a quality replacement to come straight in would be essential

Quoted from Rik e B

Good post and my thoughts are in that same basket. IF the trigger was ever to be pulled some skulldugerous tapping up of a quality replacement to come straight in would be essential

Word of the day...

I admit i have not read all this thread but i have been at a family gathering tonight in the presence of five staunch Town fans. All without question want Hurst removed and all said they know of no one who would be bothered if he was sacked tomorrow. Between us we know a lot of Town fans, so something doesn't add up. I think there is just a general apathy among fans. The ones i speak to anyway. I've really tried to stay impartial on this issue and have asked people what they think and i genuinely cannot find one person who sticks up for Hurst, either among my circle or in general around the town.

One said to me the Hurst detractors quote facts and the Hurst pro lobby quote what might happen in the future if we give him more time and that sums it up for me in a nutshell.

Had lots to drink and not explaining myself very well but in a straw poll tonight with 5 Town fans with over 150 seasons support between us, all have had enough of him. Only myself posts on here.

Would people happily wax what remains of the boosted budget to pay Hurst's severence and instill a new broom?

Do people think we would be better off with a new man working with what we've already got or Hurst with the ability to add a player or two?

Quoted from barralad

Word of the day...

Depends on the judging criteria... Ginnys 'reposte' had me hitting google for example

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but voting after a defeat is pointless. If we'd have won the game, I'm sure we'd have completely different results.

give him the rest of the season. we've given a lot of money and let's hope we go on a run like last year.  

Unless things turn for the worst and in January we're not close to the play offs and miles off top spot (points wise) then risk getting someone else in.

Quoted from Harry Haddock

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but voting after a defeat is pointless. If we'd have won the game, I'm sure we'd have completely different results.

Another among many examples of the "if we'd won" variety. We didn't win an therein lies the problem. After about 20 mins on Friday, the crowd were ready to rock, there were fireworks going off and i could just sense that Cheltenham were rocking slightly. Gary Johnson has said himself that some of his younger, less experienced players were wobbling a bit but as usual, we let them off the hook and gave Johnson time to work his magic. We never looked like winning from that point on and the game faded into another let down.

I get the sense that whereas most people calm down a day or two after a disappointing result, that's not happened this time and people are still p1ssed off. I can feel a sea change.

Quoted from Rik e B

Depends on the judging criteria... Ginnys 'reposte' had me hitting google for example

Riposte.  

Quoted from ginnywings

Riposte.  

I was going to say the same thing but thought better of it (for once!)

Only saving grace to relieve the pressure on PH would be for him to sign on loan two players in the form of a target man and an aggressive Pouton style midfielder, its not going to happen I know but a failure Saturday and it all goes apeshit

Quoted from ginnywings

Another among many examples of the "if we'd won" variety. We didn't win an therein lies the problem. After about 20 mins on Friday, the crowd were ready to rock, there were fireworks going off and i could just sense that Cheltenham were rocking slightly. Gary Johnson has said himself that some of his younger, less experienced players were wobbling a bit but as usual, we let them off the hook and gave Johnson time to work his magic. We never looked like winning from that point on and the game faded into another let down.

I get the sense that whereas most people calm down a day or two after a disappointing result, that's not happened this time and people are still p1ssed off. I can feel a sea change.

To be fair taken out of context. The poster was saying that after a win a survey would probably have had vastly different results. I cannot remember anyone starting a poll after a win though!
Very interesting point about a "sea change". I actually said to my mate last night that the chagrin on here has gone on for far longer than usual after a defeat. By Sunday evening most people are looking to the next game. I suspect only time will tell whether you are right. If you are and gates begin to suffer then heaven knows where it will all end...

EDIT:- As I write this the score in the poll has closed to 60/59 with one person advocating the good cup run so 50/50 against getting rid.

What do you feel we should do Barra? Carry on with Hurst?

Quoted from chaos33

What do you feel we should do Barra? Carry on with Hurst?

Yeah I do. I can't add anything to the debate that hasn't already been said. I'm not in favour of ditching a manager mid-season unless things are tragically awry and even the biggest critic surely cannot think that is the case yet. It's a very tight league this time around and I think we have every bit as good a chance as any of the other favoured clubs.  Obviously I don't know how it will all pan out but neither do those who want him gone.
Incidentally I don't hold with the view that the players would only play for Hurst and not a replacement. It is one of the things that gives me hope in that I believe we (Hurst) has assembled the squad with the biggest desire to play for the club since Buckley's day.

Quoted from ginnywings

Riposte.  

Owned  

IF this poll is roughly accurate, 50/50 is not enough to warrant upheaval yet.

Quoted from ginnywings

Another among many examples of the "if we'd won" variety. We didn't win an therein lies the problem. After about 20 mins on Friday, the crowd were ready to rock, there were fireworks going off and i could just sense that Cheltenham were rocking slightly. Gary Johnson has said himself that some of his younger, less experienced players were wobbling a bit but as usual, we let them off the hook and gave Johnson time to work his magic. We never looked like winning from that point on and the game faded into another let down.

I get the sense that whereas most people calm down a day or two after a disappointing result, that's not happened this time and people are still p1ssed off. I can feel a sea change.

As Barralad pointed out, its the fact that this vote has occured after we'd lost. When have we ever had a vote following a win ? I guess it's because we're british as soon as we lose a game some people are already reaching for their strike banners

I dont ever recall a vote for PH to be given a contract extension after our trips to Wembley, or a statue of Alan Buckley to be built after we won promotion to the championship

I'm genuinely unsure what I want at the minute.

I regard myself a pro-Hurst kinda guy.  I like the way he spots talented players, I like the way the builds a dressing room spirit and I like the fact he's at the helm when we've had this (generally) feel good factor around the place.

I also regard myself quite anti-modern football, sacking your manager when you're in a decent league position with less than half of the season is part of that ideology for me.  I'm a big, big believer in stability producing results.  This 18 month-2 year lifespan of a modern manager really winds me up.  

That said, this is now the side that Hurst built. Everyone player are ones he's either brought into the club or renewed their contracts on his own accord.  If ever there was a squad to judge him on, it's this one.  


Added to that I am disappointed with the way we've not kicked on from the early season promise.  Early results were unexpected but the performances were exciting and I honestly believe had we stuck with the approach, we would be sitting very pretty at the top of the table now.  I don't know if Hurst bottled it or just reverted to type but we're a different creature from the one we saw in those opening weeks.  

I don't know if it's the same but before the weekend we were top scorers and best goal difference.  We can't be that far off, just based on that solely.  We can clearly score goals and any combination of our back four is pretty impressive.  I would go as far as saying we could almost put out a 'reserve' back four and it would be better than most at this level.  

Tactically I think Hurst is dreadful.  It's his biggest flaw.  He doesn't seem to anticipate and when he does react it's far too late.  His subs are so predictable, even down to the minute that they will take place.  East did a decent job on Friday, but just like Saturday at Harrogate, he didn't look like a winger to me.  He's also our best right-back so we lose that impact of him running deep from there.  I'm not Mackreth's biggest fan but he did well by all accounts when coming on at Torquay and then scored twice for the reserves, why pick a full-back over him?    I suspect that Hurst is putting East on the wing to give McKeown an outlet on goalkicks now Monkhouse is out the side.  Surely a better option is to ditch that crappy tactic?  Just launch it down the middle, strikers make a nuisance of themselves even if they don't win the ball, midfield set-up to win the second ball.  

The problem remains the midfield.  Always has been, I hope it always won't be.  Disley is superb, he's the best individual central midfielder in the league.  He's one man.  Clay is great on his day, which is one in three.  When Disley has a bad game, we struggle.  We can't rely on one man to carry us every game.

Biggest irony on Friday was I thought we lacked two main things.  1) Intensity up front and 2) Someone in midfield who would lift their head up and look forward with the ball.  The two things Tomlinson and Robinson brought to the side.  

The underlying thought I've had over the weekend is maybe we're just not that good?   I believed in the summer that we had built a superb squad.  The fact we're in November and bemoaning the lack of a creative midfield influence and alternative option up front suggest it isn't that superb.  I do believe that 4-4-2 as a system seriously hampers us.  We've got a player in Arnold who would the natural link-up between attack and defence, he's wasted in a wide position - even with the freedom he has to cut inside.  

Is disagreeing with the managers tactics enough to warrant sacking him?  Not for me.  I want us to change the attitude we approach games, or rather go back to something like what we started the season with.  We don't have a swagger or a mean streak.  I want us to pummel teams, smell blood and then absolutely rip them apart.  I understand why Hurst felt we needed to adjust earlier in the season when we became a bit leaky at the back, I think he's gone too far though.  The shackles need taking off.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I'm genuinely unsure what I want at the minute.

I regard myself a pro-Hurst kinda guy.  I like the way he spots talented players, I like the way the builds a dressing room spirit and I like the fact he's at the helm when we've had this (generally) feel good factor around the place.

I also regard myself quite anti-modern football, sacking your manager when you're in a decent league position with less than half of the season is part of that ideology for me.  I'm a big, big believer in stability producing results.  This 18 month-2 year lifespan of a modern manager really winds me up.  

That said, this is now the side that Hurst built. Everyone player are ones he's either brought into the club or renewed their contracts on his own accord.  If ever there was a squad to judge him on, it's this one.  


Added to that I am disappointed with the way we've not kicked on from the early season promise.  Early results were unexpected but the performances were exciting and I honestly believe had we stuck with the approach, we would be sitting very pretty at the top of the table now.  I don't know if Hurst bottled it or just reverted to type but we're a different creature from the one we saw in those opening weeks.  

I don't know if it's the same but before the weekend we were top scorers and best goal difference.  We can't be that far off, just based on that solely.  We can clearly score goals and any combination of our back four is pretty impressive.  I would go as far as saying we could almost put out a 'reserve' back four and it would be better than most at this level.  

Tactically I think Hurst is dreadful.  It's his biggest flaw.  He doesn't seem to anticipate and when he does react it's far too late.  His subs are so predictable, even down to the minute that they will take place.  East did a decent job on Friday, but just like Saturday at Harrogate, he didn't look like a winger to me.  He's also our best right-back so we lose that impact of him running deep from there.  I'm not Mackreth's biggest fan but he did well by all accounts when coming on at Torquay and then scored twice for the reserves, why pick a full-back over him?    I suspect that Hurst is putting East on the wing to give McKeown an outlet on goalkicks now Monkhouse is out the side.  Surely a better option is to ditch that crappy tactic?  Just launch it down the middle, strikers make a nuisance of themselves even if they don't win the ball, midfield set-up to win the second ball.  

The problem remains the midfield.  Always has been, I hope it always won't be.  Disley is superb, he's the best individual central midfielder in the league.  He's one man.  Clay is great on his day, which is one in three.  When Disley has a bad game, we struggle.  We can't rely on one man to carry us every game.

Biggest irony on Friday was I thought we lacked two main things.  1) Intensity up front and 2) Someone in midfield who would lift their head up and look forward with the ball.  The two things Tomlinson and Robinson brought to the side.  

The underlying thought I've had over the weekend is maybe we're just not that good?   I believed in the summer that we had built a superb squad.  The fact we're in November and bemoaning the lack of a creative midfield influence and alternative option up front suggest it isn't that superb.  I do believe that 4-4-2 as a system seriously hampers us.  We've got a player in Arnold who would the natural link-up between attack and defence, he's wasted in a wide position - even with the freedom he has to cut inside.  

Is disagreeing with the managers tactics enough to warrant sacking him?  Not for me.  I want us to change the attitude we approach games, or rather go back to something like what we started the season with.  We don't have a swagger or a mean streak.  I want us to pummel teams, smell blood and then absolutely rip them apart.  I understand why Hurst felt we needed to adjust earlier in the season when we became a bit leaky at the back, I think he's gone too far though.  The shackles need taking off.

Can only agree with this and what Tommy said. I'm very sure that we'll end up finishing about 4th this year with the players we've got, but it just seems as though there's a few players missing from the squad leaving us threadbare if we have injuries - only 3 strikers (when you're playing 4-4-2) and only 3 CMs isn't enough, let alone enough to account for the variation we need in those positions.

I just think that while we will get the play offs, I'm not sure whether this team (be it because of the manager or the players) will ever win the league - there's just too many games where I've come away from thinking in isolation it's not the worst draw in the world, but games like Lincoln away where we dominated are the games that champions come away with wins from regardless of us having 10 men. It was so refreshing to hear us dominating the game with 10 men, and I thought we'd go on to get the win, and a win I'd have been delighted with - 10 men for an hour, away at local rivals etc, but we just don't seem to be able to nick those wins which would bring us up to champions standard.

Something that also concerns me is we don't seem to be as good as recent years at playing against better sides - draws against FGR and Tranmere at home, losing to Cheltenham on Friday, all games we've been winning in recent years, but we haven't even put in the sort of efficient performance that we usually would do against those teams. Those are the games where Disley would get a winner in (not a slight on him as he's by a country mile our best midfielder), but it seems in the games I've watched that he's had to play deeper because of the other midfielders not being up to the standard required - we really miss those key goals he used to get.

How about we leave this debate until the New Year,?

If we are in with a chance of going up wait until the end of the season,

Stick with him,

If we are so far behind it will take a really excellent run to make the play offs,

Then lets look who is available,

Its coming up to Christmas and he deserves to enjoy that as our manager at least.

Is the person who voted for mid-table the guy that left at half time at harrogate?!

Well put diehard and Tom. Pete; it'd be nice but highly unlikely barring that elusive long winning streak.

I get the feeling a Robinson and a Tomlinson would have been handy over the course as we a bit light. Neither did the business straight away due to match sharpness or whatever but like a Pell could probably be good squad players (and options) once firing right.

But they were doomed to failure being introduced wrongly making them both instantly vilified. I know Clays personal tragedy was a private matter and he might not have wanted the world to know but some kind of veiled explanation might have quelled some of the disdain. Likewise if Tomlinson had of been mixed in carefully he could have become that different option to have defenders in a mix trying to adapt either if we introduced him in - game or unleashed one of the others just as they'd got to grips with him.

Of course the sticking point to that though is that the parent club would expect them to play. But we should put our own interests first rather than pandering to them too much.

Perhaps better than nothing, but both were done wrong causing a massive backlash. It seems the midfielder and target striker of a higher grade than those two must not be available as I'm sure Hurst is well aware we are lacking there (and has the money left in his budget).

Quoted from Harry Haddock

As Barralad pointed out, its the fact that this vote has occured after we'd lost. When have we ever had a vote following a win ? I guess it's because we're british as soon as we lose a game some people are already reaching for their strike banners

I dont ever recall a vote for PH to be given a contract extension after our trips to Wembley, or a statue of Alan Buckley to be built after we won promotion to the championship

Fair does, accepted admonishment. In mitigation i had a little man hammering away inside my head after downing an entire bottle of Spiced Rum at a barby last night and was a tad brittle when i posted. I probably should also apologise to my GF, who had to endure 5 Town fans dissecting Friday nights game in minute detail for hours on end.

As for the sea change, my brother is still as p1ssed off this morning as he was on Friday and a couple of Town fans i know in the builders merchants were not best pleased either. This defeat is taking some getting over it seems.

Would also like to add what an excellent post that was by diehardmariner.

Win, lose or draw will not change how I feel about Paul Hurst as manager and I have said as much from after the Halifax debacle, only promotion will.

My main worry is we force or sack Hurst mid season he finds another club probably at this level but may be higher and half the squad including the likes of Pearson,Macca, Gowling, East,Podge et al set to follow him which is not unheard of.

After all he as the respect of the players there is no doubt about that in my mind.

Where would that leave us ......................set back three years at least with the best side I have seen since down here in tatters.

How would we feel about that? Just a thought.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

My main worry is we force or sack Hurst mid season he finds another club probably at this level but may be higher and half the squad including the likes of Pearson,Macca, Gowling, East,Podge et al set to follow him which is not unheard of.

After all he as the respect of the players there is no doubt about that in my mind.

Where would that leave us ......................set back three years at least with the best side I have seen since down here in tatters.

How would we feel about that? Just a thought.

How could all those players jump ship when under contract and if PH was to move to a higher club what would that teams fans think of the new manager bringing in a load of players from a lower league.

You could say that we might employ a manager who has failed to get out of the league below and just because the players liked him we would end up signing them all.

Re sort these words into a well known phrase or saying :-

cuckoo cloud land in living

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

My main worry is we force or sack Hurst mid season he finds another club probably at this level but may be higher and half the squad including the likes of Pearson,Macca, Gowling, East,Podge et al set to follow him which is not unheard of.

After all he as the respect of the players there is no doubt about that in my mind.

Where would that leave us ......................set back three years at least with the best side I have seen since down here in tatters.

How would we feel about that? Just a thought.

If anything, the points you make here are reasons to sack Hurst mid-season rather than when the season has finished.

Sack him in the summer after a failed promotion attempt and most of the players will be out of contract. They'd be free to seek a new challenge or even follow Hurst to another club. We saw last season it only took a couple of players re-signing for us to get the rest to follow - it can just as easily go the other way. One of them decides we've had had a couple of goes at promotion and failed, his Manager's gone, doesn't know who new boss will be, so he signs for someone else. Then the rest think, "Oh it won't be the same with half the players leaving, I'm off too."

If Hurst was replaced mid-season, a new manager would come in with the same squad and have time to win over the players and make them believe in him. Players wouldn't be able to just follow Hurst to a new club if he got another job (both guarantee he will) because theyre under contract to us. Then come the summer when player contracts are expiring, they know where they stand, where the club stands and would have hopefully been impressed by the new Manager who took over from Hurst.

Quoted from Tommy

If anything, the points you make here are reasons to sack Hurst mid-season rather than when the season has finished.

Sack him in the summer after a failed promotion attempt and most of the players will be out of contract. They'd be free to seek a new challenge or even follow Hurst to another club. We saw last season it only took a couple of players re-signing for us to get the rest to follow - it can just as easily go the other way. One of them decides we've had had a couple of goes at promotion and failed, his Manager's gone, doesn't know who new boss will be, so he signs for someone else. Then the rest think, "Oh it won't be the same with half the players leaving, I'm off too."

If Hurst was replaced mid-season, a new manager would come in with the same squad and have time to win over the players and make them believe in him. Players wouldn't be able to just follow Hurst to a new club if he got another job (both guarantee he will) because theyre under contract to us. Then come the summer when player contracts are expiring, they know where they stand, where the club stands and would have hopefully been impressed by the new Manager who took over from Hurst.

Well said.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I'm genuinely unsure what I want at the minute.

I regard myself a pro-Hurst kinda guy.  I like the way he spots talented players, I like the way the builds a dressing room spirit and I like the fact he's at the helm when we've had this (generally) feel good factor around the place.

I also regard myself quite anti-modern football, sacking your manager when you're in a decent league position with less than half of the season is part of that ideology for me.  I'm a big, big believer in stability producing results.  This 18 month-2 year lifespan of a modern manager really winds me up.  

That said, this is now the side that Hurst built. Everyone player are ones he's either brought into the club or renewed their contracts on his own accord.  If ever there was a squad to judge him on, it's this one.  


Added to that I am disappointed with the way we've not kicked on from the early season promise.  Early results were unexpected but the performances were exciting and I honestly believe had we stuck with the approach, we would be sitting very pretty at the top of the table now.  I don't know if Hurst bottled it or just reverted to type but we're a different creature from the one we saw in those opening weeks.  

I don't know if it's the same but before the weekend we were top scorers and best goal difference.  We can't be that far off, just based on that solely.  We can clearly score goals and any combination of our back four is pretty impressive.  I would go as far as saying we could almost put out a 'reserve' back four and it would be better than most at this level.  

Tactically I think Hurst is dreadful.  It's his biggest flaw.  He doesn't seem to anticipate and when he does react it's far too late.  His subs are so predictable, even down to the minute that they will take place.  East did a decent job on Friday, but just like Saturday at Harrogate, he didn't look like a winger to me.  He's also our best right-back so we lose that impact of him running deep from there.  I'm not Mackreth's biggest fan but he did well by all accounts when coming on at Torquay and then scored twice for the reserves, why pick a full-back over him?    I suspect that Hurst is putting East on the wing to give McKeown an outlet on goalkicks now Monkhouse is out the side.  Surely a better option is to ditch that crappy tactic?  Just launch it down the middle, strikers make a nuisance of themselves even if they don't win the ball, midfield set-up to win the second ball.  

The problem remains the midfield.  Always has been, I hope it always won't be.  Disley is superb, he's the best individual central midfielder in the league.  He's one man.  Clay is great on his day, which is one in three.  When Disley has a bad game, we struggle.  We can't rely on one man to carry us every game.

Biggest irony on Friday was I thought we lacked two main things.  1) Intensity up front and 2) Someone in midfield who would lift their head up and look forward with the ball.  The two things Tomlinson and Robinson brought to the side.  

The underlying thought I've had over the weekend is maybe we're just not that good?   I believed in the summer that we had built a superb squad.  The fact we're in November and bemoaning the lack of a creative midfield influence and alternative option up front suggest it isn't that superb.  I do believe that 4-4-2 as a system seriously hampers us.  We've got a player in Arnold who would the natural link-up between attack and defence, he's wasted in a wide position - even with the freedom he has to cut inside.  

Is disagreeing with the managers tactics enough to warrant sacking him?  Not for me.  I want us to change the attitude we approach games, or rather go back to something like what we started the season with.  We don't have a swagger or a mean streak.  I want us to pummel teams, smell blood and then absolutely rip them apart.  I understand why Hurst felt we needed to adjust earlier in the season when we became a bit leaky at the back, I think he's gone too far though.  The shackles need taking off.

Great post. I'm a shackles off kind of guy (!) too. I totally agree with the word dreadful to describe PH's tactics, and I would add the reluctance to make a substitution before 70 minutes to that.

That said, he signs good players and he keeps good players but we seem to always go back to the two weaknesses - midfield and our paranoia about what teams can do to us. I like Craig Clay but he's way too inconsistent and Scott Brown always seems to need 3 touches when 2 will do. I truly believe that this is the best squad we've had since the Slade squad but the manager who put it together doesn't seem to know what to do with it - it's one hell of a quandary.

Think it was a good, balanced contribution to the thread from DHM.

Quoted from ginnywings

I disagree because it's not true. You have absolutely no idea how many of those 3 thousand want a change of manager. You are implying that only people on the fishy want a change but everyone i speak to wants it and none of them use the fishy. It's certainly not a tiny minority for sure.

The original statement read " this vote means nothing and is only a tiny percentage of the GTFC populous ". The statement was referring to the vote and is correct in that context. It doesn't matter how many fans you have spoken to the vote refers to The Fishy and that remark was about The Fishy. Up to typing this there have been 137 votes cast and 50% of those don't support PH. If you take a GTFC populous of 3,000 then only those on the Fishy count in the vote , that's why it's a vote on The Fishy. The total Fishy vote is 137 which represents 4.56% of a GTFC populous of 3,000. Of those 137, 68 want PH out which represents 2.266% of that 3,000 which is only a " tiny percentage of the GTFC populous ". If you were to do a poll on the 3,000 then that would be a totally different matter but this poll is only on The Fishy.

Not made my mind up about P.H. and his midfield, is he being obdurate or does he just not see what the world and his dog sees,  that we have been weak in midfield since the beginning of the seasons,he has not done anything except bring Robinson in who clearly was not the answer.

To me his persistent failure to address this,is why we cannot progress any further.

Ask yourself if four and a half years ago when Hurst arrived someone had said to you we'd be in the same league in the same position , would you think that was acceptable and would you think we would still have the same manager ?
I believe if we had gave any manager with some prior experience the time , support and cash Hurst he had we'd at least be in a higher position than now.
Would anyone accept that if the next manager that comes in and said we'll be in the same position in four and a half years and I'll be calling it success ?
The guys had failed and it's time for a change

Quoted from rancido

The original statement read " this vote means nothing and is only a tiny percentage of the GTFC populous ". The statement was referring to the vote and is correct in that context. It doesn't matter how many fans you have spoken to the vote refers to The Fishy and that remark was about The Fishy. Up to typing this there have been 137 votes cast and 50% of those don't support PH. If you take a GTFC populous of 3,000 then only those on the Fishy count in the vote , that's why it's a vote on The Fishy. The total Fishy vote is 137 which represents 4.56% of a GTFC populous of 3,000. Of those 137, 68 want PH out which represents 2.266% of that 3,000 which is only a " tiny percentage of the GTFC populous ". If you were to do a poll on the 3,000 then that would be a totally different matter but this poll is only on The Fishy.

I understood about 2.266% of that post. The rest is 100% bollox. The fishy is representative of the Town fans and as such, the same 50-50 would probably occur if you polled all fans at a game. Bit like when an election result is forecast from an exit poll of a small number of voters. They are unerringly accurate.

Very interesting debate. Particuarly Grimps point about 4 and a half years ago would i still be happy being in this league at this point. honest answer no, im in the Hurst in camp- as most know- and would love for him to take us up, I think getting rid now would lead to us missing out altogether, i have no faith in whoever the board would bring in, and i think we have a team that want to do well for the manager. howwever if we do not go up this year, i think it may be time for paul to go

Just to put this in perspective  ,

We have less than 150 people voting,

AND

There was 5,000 + at the last game.

We lost a big game at home and everyone is rightly gutted.  

It was a tight game against a team doing well who also expected to win.  

If we had won, everyone would be on here saying we are closing in on top spot and doing well.

It wasn't a great performance and we lost 1-0 and now we are down in 8th but we are still very much in touch.

We have a quality squad - signed by Hurst.  We missed out last year due to poor defending at a corner from a centre forward.

If we are negative in our tactics, it seems odd that we are one of the top scoring teams in the league.  Early on the complaint was that we weren't defensive enough!

We are all prone to knee jerk reactions on here.  There's around 10 teams in this league who all think they should be getting back in the league - if it was that easy they'd have 10 promotion slots!

Quoted from 28195

Let's back him or sack him

....and if you didn't have a good day at the office in your job, assuming you have one, you somehow think that it's okay to f*ck about with people's livelihoods by an online poll? FFS...

Quoted from rancido

The original statement read " this vote means nothing and is only a tiny percentage of the GTFC populous ". The statement was referring to the vote and is correct in that context. It doesn't matter how many fans you have spoken to the vote refers to The Fishy and that remark was about The Fishy. Up to typing this there have been 137 votes cast and 50% of those don't support PH. If you take a GTFC populous of 3,000 then only those on the Fishy count in the vote , that's why it's a vote on The Fishy. The total Fishy vote is 137 which represents 4.56% of a GTFC populous of 3,000. Of those 137, 68 want PH out which represents 2.266% of that 3,000 which is only a " tiny percentage of the GTFC populous ". If you were to do a poll on the 3,000 then that would be a totally different matter but this poll is only on The Fishy.

LOL  

I suspect that lot will do nothing to ease any possible hangover that Ginny may still have!!

Decided not to visit the Fishy after throwing my beer can at the TV on Friday night, thought it would only end badly.

As a result am just catching up on the reaction on here.  Got to admit I voted to back him.  Had I done this on Friday I don't know what I would of done.  But I often think the sort of straight yes or no answer isn't a true reflection on views.  I generally have been defending Hurst so would be in a Hurst in camp.  But I think in reality my view is not (excuse obvious but rather hard to avoid pun) all Black and White.  I think it is more a sliding scale of how much you support Hurst.  The recent run, a lot of games unbeaten but more crucially for me as a team who want promotion only 5 wins in 12 is not good enough and (even before Friday) I have been getting more impatient with Hurst.  So I back him atm but only just.  

btw got to agree that it is a top class post from DHM!

Quoted from barralad

LOL  

I suspect that lot will do nothing to ease any possible hangover that Ginny may still have!!

Just been out for a pub meal after spending the day tiling a floor and am now hangover free but am sat in my armchair feeling like Jabba the Hut.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

My main worry is we force or sack Hurst mid season he finds another club probably at this level but may be higher and half the squad including the likes of Pearson,Macca, Gowling, East,Podge et al set to follow him which is not unheard of.

After all he as the respect of the players there is no doubt about that in my mind.

Where would that leave us ......................set back three years at least with the best side I have seen since down here in tatters.

How would we feel about that? Just a thought.

When Buckley left for WBA he took players with him, did not work out though for him or the players and if I remember right we wiped the floor with them with our new manager on their return fixture

Quoted from ginnywings

I understood about 2.266% of that post. The rest is 100% bollox. The fishy is representative of the Town fans and as such, the same 50-50 would probably occur if you polled all fans at a game. Bit like when an election result is forecast from an exit poll of a small number of voters. They are unerringly accurate.

I always thought you were one of the more reasoned, intelligent posters on here but if you truly cannot understand that then you are obviously less intelligent than I thought. The original statement was about the vote on here and obviously not reflective of the whole of GTFC support. Do you understand that or has 100% of it going in through your left ear and out your right ear without encountering anything to decipher it.