Well done the club

I think when you look at the broader economic climate, this is an incredible move by the club and likely something the owners will have to personally underwrite.

**waits for Golly to rip everything to shreds**

Was just about to ask if anyone had heard anything. That’s decent

Not only is it great they've frozen prices, it's also miraculous to see us getting the details out before the end of the current season and having the physical passes available to collect immediately. A huge improvement over the Fenty era and well done to everyone involved at the club.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Not only is it great they've frozen prices, it's also miraculous to see us getting the details out before the end of the current season and having the physical passes available to collect immediately. A huge improvement over the Fenty era and well done to everyone involved at the club.

I might be mistaken but the end of May seems a lot earlier than usual for the cut-off of the “early bird” prices” (we didn’t even know what division we’d be in at the beginning of June two years ago”. I imagine there’s an element of wanting to get an early idea of what the demand is going to look like, given the turbulent season we’ve just had.

Quoted from Poojah

I think when you look at the broader economic climate, this is an incredible move by the club and likely something the owners will have to personally underwrite.

**waits for Golly to rip everything to shreds**

I complained last year that the blanket £20 was grossly unfair as an adult ST went up by just 5.9% whilst junior ST went up by an inflation busting 40%.

Price rises should be evenly distributed. Not targeted unfairly and often at those with limited means.

An example…

A man/woman who go on their own would have had a 5.9% increase last summer against the 2022/23 season.

A single mum/dad taking 2 kids would saw their 3 season tickets go up from £440 (£340+£50+£50) to £500 (£360+£70+£70). An increase of 13.6%.

How was that fair? It wasn’t. Increases should always be evenly distributed in percentage terms. A blanket 10% increase last summer would have been fairer.

2024/25…

It’s good that the club have frozen prices, but it does raise the question why ST haven’t been on sale for a couple of months. It would have given the club/owners an earlier and more accurate forecast of likely final sales and how that effects budgets and more importantly how much in losses will need to be bridged.

It just seems bizarre that a business would wait 11 days from their last contact with an existing customer before trying to get them to continue their custom for another year.

Quoted from Poojah

I might be mistaken but the end of May seems a lot earlier than usual for the cut-off of the “early bird” prices” (we didn’t even know what division we’d be in at the beginning of June two years ago”. I imagine there’s an element of wanting to get an early idea of what the demand is going to look like, given the turbulent season we’ve just had.

The early bird window closes too early? That’s the typical negative, nitpicking response I come to expect from moaners like you.

Be more positive. Use me as your inspiration.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

The early bird window closes too early? That’s the typical negative, nitpicking response I come to expect from moaners like you.

Be more positive. Use me as your inspiration.

That gave me a genuine lol there, my friend. Well played! 😂

Quoted from Poojah

That gave me a genuine lol there, my friend. Well played! 😂

I toyed with idea of putting a smiley at the end of my message, but I trusted you’d take it as it was intended. 🤝

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I complained last year that the blanket £20 was grossly unfair as an adult ST went up by just 5.9% whilst junior ST went up by an inflation busting 40%.

Price rises should be evenly distributed. Not targeted unfairly and often at those with limited means.

An example…

A man/woman who go on their own would have had a 5.9% increase last summer against the 2022/23 season.

A single mum/dad taking 2 kids would saw their 3 season tickets go up from £440 (£340+£50+£50) to £500 (£360+£70+£70). An increase of 13.6%.

How was that fair? It wasn’t. Increases should always be evenly distributed in percentage terms. A blanket 10% increase last summer would have been fairer.

2024/25…

It’s good that the club have frozen prices, but it does raise the question why ST haven’t been on sale for a couple of months. It would have given the club/owners an earlier and more accurate forecast of likely final sales and how that effects budgets and more importantly how much in losses will need to be bridged.

It just seems bizarre that a business would wait 11 days from their last contact with an existing customer before trying to get them to continue their custom for another year.

No way they could release information about season tickets whilst we had no idea what division we'd be in.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

It’s good that the club have frozen prices, but it does raise the question why ST haven’t been on sale for a couple of months. It would have given the club/owners an earlier and more accurate forecast of likely final sales and how that effects budgets and more importantly how much in losses will need to be bridged..

This is something I questioned 2-3 years ago! The long standing ST holder among us (I have 1 Adult & 2 Jnr ST) in todays climate could have enabled me to spread the cost whilst continuing my ongoing support to the club but also gives the club a massive forecast!

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

No way they could release information about season tickets whilst we had no idea what division we'd be in.

That’s strange. Countless other clubs have done just that. What makes us a special case?

As they have released prices earlier than usual in April, as opposed to the usual May release, and then ending the Early Bird offer in May, it still gives fans two paydays to get the cheaper prices (I seem to recall on each of the last 2 seasons they have extended the early bird offer by a couple of weeks each time, from the original end date).

Its actually quite a shrewd move by the club, because they know that the majority of fans will buy their tickets at the early bird prices, so this year they will know a full month earlier what sort of income they have from sales that can be put towards the transfer budget.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

That’s strange. Countless other clubs have done just that. What makes us a special case?

Such as?

Just done a quick bit of maths, and despite a frustrating season, I think we're actually in quite a good position as things stand. More so than is immediately obvious anyway.

In the past 2 seasons, we have sold more season tickets than our average attendances across every season since 2003, gates which would have been buoyed by large away followings in the second tier. That on the surface sounds like good news, and it is certainly symbolic of the renewed optimism JS and AP have instilled in the club and the town. But if the last two seasons have taught us anything, it's probably a little bit beyond our "sweet spot" for season ticket sales.

We know from our most recent accounts that we sold a total of 5,754 season tickets in the 22/23 season, at an average price of £222.54. I don't know the exact numbers, but for simplicity I'm going to assume that there was a straight 10% increase in average price this season and into next, giving us an average of £244.70. Again, I don't have the exact number, but I believe this season we sold in the region of 5,300 season tickets, and had an average gate of 6,354 - an additional 1,054 paying punters each game. Again, for simplicity, assume with concessions, that's at an average price of £15 per match day ticket.

5,300 season tickets = £1,296,906
1,054 match day tickets x 23 = £363,630
Total = £1,660,536

OK, so I think even with the very generous pricing of next season's season tickets, it's fair to expect a sizeable drop off. Let's assume we lose 1,000 STs, falling by just shy of 20% to 4,300 (still decent by historic standards).

4,300 season tickets = £1,052,207 (-18.9%)

Ok, on the surface a ~19% YoY drop in guaranteed income doesn't sound like a particularly good thing, but let's look at some scenarios. The total average attendance is the first number, with the incremental match day sales in brackets, and the £ figure being the total ST + match-by-match ticket income for the season:

5,000 (700) = £1,293,707 (-22.1%)
5,500 (1,200) = £1,466,207 (-11.7%)
6,000 (1,700) = £1,638,707 (-1.3%)
6,500 (2,200) = £1,811,207 (+9.1%)
7,000 (2,700) = £1,983,707 (+19.5%)

I'll stop there, as with our ground and the state of away followings in this division, it's probably going to be difficult to average above 7,000, but the point is with lower season ticket sales (and a greater availability of decent seats on the day) a small incremental increase in average gate has the potential to translate into a much more significant % of matchday income. In effect, a 10% increase in gates becomes a 20% increase in income.

The key, ultimately, is getting there. Either way, we're better insulated against falling income than might have been anticipated. Realistically, we'd have to drop below gates of 6,000 to be noticeably worse off, and simply having a less shít season than this one should be sufficient to enable that (a pretty low bar), with an additional tail wind in the easing of ST no-shows. We're in an ok position, I think.

Note: there's a slight flaw in this model in which it assumes that all season ticket holders attend every game and the only incremental sales are over and above this number, which we know isn't the case. However, again with a lower baseline number of STs, this is another factor that should work in our favour with a half-decent season.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

As they have released prices earlier than usual in April, as opposed to the usual May release, and then ending the Early Bird offer in May, it still gives fans two paydays to get the cheaper prices (I seem to recall on each of the last 2 seasons they have extended the early bird offer by a couple of weeks each time, from the original end date).

Its actually quite a shrewd move by the club, because they know that the majority of fans will buy their tickets at the early bird prices, so this year they will know a full month earlier what sort of income they have from sales that can be put towards the transfer budget.

if only I didnt work for an employers who pays you on the flipping 8th of the month!!

Price frozen for 6 weeks or so, even then a £20 price increase isn’t as heavy as could have been. It’s a decent gesture by owners/board in the present climate.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

Such as?

Google is your friend.

I love a good stat, but on sale dates for season tickets is a bit niche even for me.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Google is your friend.

I love a good stat, but on sale dates for season tickets is a bit niche even for me.

You know when it’s too niche for Golly it’s basically illegal.

Great move from the club . Bet there’s not many clubs ( apart from those in the PL obviously….) that haven’t increased prices 24-25 .

Quoted from Poojah

Just done a quick bit of maths, and despite a frustrating season, I think we're actually in quite a good position as things stand. More so than is immediately obvious anyway.

In the past 2 seasons, we have sold more season tickets than our average attendances across every season since 2003, gates which would have been buoyed by large away followings in the second tier. That on the surface sounds like good news, and it is certainly symbolic of the renewed optimism JS and AP have instilled in the club and the town. But if the last two seasons have taught us anything, it's probably a little bit beyond our "sweet spot" for season ticket sales.

We know from our most recent accounts that we sold a total of 5,754 season tickets in the 22/23 season, at an average price of £222.54. I don't know the exact numbers, but for simplicity I'm going to assume that there was a straight 10% increase in average price this season and into next, giving us an average of £244.70. Again, I don't have the exact number, but I believe this season we sold in the region of 5,300 season tickets, and had an average gate of 6,354 - an additional 1,054 paying punters each game. Again, for simplicity, assume with concessions, that's at an average price of £15 per match day ticket.

5,300 season tickets = £1,296,906
1,054 match day tickets x 23 = £363,630
Total = £1,660,536

OK, so I think even with the very generous pricing of next season's season tickets, it's fair to expect a sizeable drop off. Let's assume we lose 1,000 STs, falling by just shy of 20% to 4,300 (still decent by historic standards).

4,300 season tickets = £1,052,207 (-18.9%)

Ok, on the surface a ~19% YoY drop in guaranteed income doesn't sound like a particularly good thing, but let's look at some scenarios. The total average attendance is the first number, with the incremental match day sales in brackets, and the £ figure being the total ST + match-by-match ticket income for the season:

5,000 (700) = £1,293,707 (-22.1%)
5,500 (1,200) = £1,466,207 (-11.7%)
6,000 (1,700) = £1,638,707 (-1.3%)
6,500 (2,200) = £1,811,207 (+9.1%)
7,000 (2,700) = £1,983,707 (+19.5%)

I'll stop there, as with our ground and the state of away followings in this division, it's probably going to be difficult to average above 7,000, but the point is with lower season ticket sales (and a greater availability of decent seats on the day) a small incremental increase in average gate has the potential to translate into a much more significant % of matchday income. In effect, a 10% increase in gates becomes a 20% increase in income.

The key, ultimately, is getting there. Either way, we're better insulated against falling income than might have been anticipated. Realistically, we'd have to drop below gates of 6,000 to be noticeably worse off, and simply having a less shít season than this one should be sufficient to enable that (a pretty low bar), with an additional tail wind in the easing of ST no-shows. We're in an ok position, I think.

Note: there's a slight flaw in this model in which it assumes that all season ticket holders attend every game and the only incremental sales are over and above this number, which we know isn't the case. However, again with a lower baseline number of STs, this is another factor that should work in our favour with a half-decent season.

I think the note about the flaw is significant, most games will have had in excess of 7k tickets sold and for most games the unsold home seats number fewer than 600 and when the Osmond corner is home fans, I would say fewer than 200 unsold. Therefore, as you say, if we have a really good season, revenue could go up with lower ST sales. However we are losing more away fans than we are gaining especially if Donny go up. On the basis that the Osmond will be allocated to home fans again total matchday seats available over the season available to home fans will go up even if ST sales stay the same as current. Since promotion we have sold out a number games when we have the corner, but have yet to sell it a game when have had the Osmond. If we challenging for top 3 I think we would be able to sell out the Osmond which with segregation would give us circa 7.6k home places. But if we are mid-table for most games there will be plenty of capacity. So in summary, we need to sell as many STs as possible and smart move by 1878…

Quoted from Poojah

Just done a quick bit of maths, and despite a frustrating season, I think we're actually in quite a good position as things stand. More so than is immediately obvious anyway.

In the past 2 seasons, we have sold more season tickets than our average attendances across every season since 2003, gates which would have been buoyed by large away followings in the second tier. That on the surface sounds like good news, and it is certainly symbolic of the renewed optimism JS and AP have instilled in the club and the town. But if the last two seasons have taught us anything, it's probably a little bit beyond our "sweet spot" for season ticket sales.

We know from our most recent accounts that we sold a total of 5,754 season tickets in the 22/23 season, at an average price of £222.54. I don't know the exact numbers, but for simplicity I'm going to assume that there was a straight 10% increase in average price this season and into next, giving us an average of £244.70. Again, I don't have the exact number, but I believe this season we sold in the region of 5,300 season tickets, and had an average gate of 6,354 - an additional 1,054 paying punters each game. Again, for simplicity, assume with concessions, that's at an average price of £15 per match day ticket.

5,300 season tickets = £1,296,906
1,054 match day tickets x 23 = £363,630
Total = £1,660,536

OK, so I think even with the very generous pricing of next season's season tickets, it's fair to expect a sizeable drop off. Let's assume we lose 1,000 STs, falling by just shy of 20% to 4,300 (still decent by historic standards).

4,300 season tickets = £1,052,207 (-18.9%)

Ok, on the surface a ~19% YoY drop in guaranteed income doesn't sound like a particularly good thing, but let's look at some scenarios. The total average attendance is the first number, with the incremental match day sales in brackets, and the £ figure being the total ST + match-by-match ticket income for the season:

5,000 (700) = £1,293,707 (-22.1%)
5,500 (1,200) = £1,466,207 (-11.7%)
6,000 (1,700) = £1,638,707 (-1.3%)
6,500 (2,200) = £1,811,207 (+9.1%)
7,000 (2,700) = £1,983,707 (+19.5%)

I'll stop there, as with our ground and the state of away followings in this division, it's probably going to be difficult to average above 7,000, but the point is with lower season ticket sales (and a greater availability of decent seats on the day) a small incremental increase in average gate has the potential to translate into a much more significant % of matchday income. In effect, a 10% increase in gates becomes a 20% increase in income.

The key, ultimately, is getting there. Either way, we're better insulated against falling income than might have been anticipated. Realistically, we'd have to drop below gates of 6,000 to be noticeably worse off, and simply having a less shít season than this one should be sufficient to enable that (a pretty low bar), with an additional tail wind in the easing of ST no-shows. We're in an ok position, I think.

Note: there's a slight flaw in this model in which it assumes that all season ticket holders attend every game and the only incremental sales are over and above this number, which we know isn't the case. However, again with a lower baseline number of STs, this is another factor that should work in our favour with a half-decent season.

I don't think we will lose a thousand mate , maybe a few hundred - total sales this season were around 5700 in the end, Stockwood said at the fans forum I think or in an interview .

If we had gone down or they had raised the prices significantly I think there might have been a large drop off,however they have seemingly read the room well.

I get a feeling the majority will give them another season benefit of the doubt / goodwill but another terrible one next time out and those figures will really dip I suspect .

We have to hope they get it right

I'm not renewing mine. I've had enough with where I sit. Hoping that some become freed up in the Upper.

Quoted from Poojah

I might be mistaken but the end of May seems a lot earlier than usual for the cut-off of the “early bird” prices” (we didn’t even know what division we’d be in at the beginning of June two years ago”. I imagine there’s an element of wanting to get an early idea of what the demand is going to look like, given the turbulent season we’ve just had.

Surely the early bird price is still the end of June as normal after which it goes to the new full price. The end of May price is a special frozen price which seems very generous by the club in the present climate.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

That’s strange. Countless other clubs have done just that. What makes us a special case?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Google is your friend.

I love a good stat, but on sale dates for season tickets is a bit niche even for me.

Surely if there are 'countless' clubs, you could name a couple?

Its all well and good contributors giving out fictional figures based on our season ticket sales and attendance figures but our average attendance is no were near the average ticket sales per game. The later one being the most important one had an average close to 7000. That is the figure you should use when working out the math.
It's about time tickets sold per game was given out as the official attendance. It would show more realistically how we were doing financially and would follow what most other clubs are doing.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

...........

It's good that the club have frozen prices, but it does raise the question why ST haven’t been on sale for a couple of months. It would have given the club/owners an earlier and more accurate forecast of likely final sales and how that effects budgets and more importantly how much in losses will need to be bridged.

It just seems bizarre that a business would wait 11 days from their last contact with an existing customer before trying to get them to continue their custom for another year.

A couple of months ago I would definitely not have bought a season ticket

Quoted from Hagrid

if only I didnt work for an employers who pays you on the flipping 8th of the month!!

Ouch! Slightly odd date to choose for them. But hopefully the club extend the early bird period by a couple of weeks and you'll be happy as Larry (as long as Larry has got his early bird tickets too)

Quoted from Lost in Lincoln

Surely if there are 'countless' clubs, you could name a couple?

Google "Season tickets 2024/25 release date".

If you do you'll see clubs that started selling STs as early as February. i.e. long before anyone can guarantee which league they will be in.

Here's a couple for free though...

Sutton United - sales began 25th March.
Wrexham - sales began 21st March.

Quoted from golfer

A couple of months ago I would definitely not have bought a season ticket

Why , they're still your team aren't they . You can't not go just cos we've had a dodgy season surely .U.T.M.

Quoted from ancientmariner54

Why , they're still your team aren't they . You can't not go just cos we've had a dodgy season surely .U.T.M.

You don't know golfer do you mate ?

They were not on sale 2 months ago .   ;D

Quoted from 140381

I'm not renewing mine. I've had enough with where I sit. Hoping that some become freed up in the Upper.

Me neither so my two will be available. I’ve stopped attending night matches as don’t enjoy driving in the dark and my lad has only seen us win three times in two seasons, due to attending other events, and I missed four of our home wins so I seem to put the mockers on us. Will probably attend most Saturday games but will probably be sitting in parts of the ground I haven’t visited in years!

I’m renewing and can’t wait. 5000 ST holders, minimum.

Quoted from grimsby pete

You don't know golfer do you mate ?

They were not on sale 2 months ago .   ;D

i've changed m y mind 14 times in the last 2 months Pete.

Great that prices are frozen. Hull City fans I work with pay by monthly direct debit for their season passes. Has to be a way forward? £30 per month.cheaper than energy but more important !

Quoted from 140381

I'm not renewing mine. I've had enough with where I sit. Hoping that some become freed up in the Upper.

Take a look at T72 - block C ,I had it for Swindon game its right up the top slight negative its a hike up there with some restricted view because of the gantry but you do get to see the full pitch play from height.
Perfect for me as i come to BP on average twice a year !! Just your average "Billie No Mates!" Exile town fan.
UTM

Quoted from Chrisblor

Not only is it great they've frozen prices, it's also miraculous to see us getting the details out before the end of the current season and having the physical passes available to collect immediately. A huge improvement over the Fenty era and well done to everyone involved at the club.

Schoolboy error.........don't they realise they should hold back sales and prices until after England win the Euro's and then release inflated prices as the nation rides a wave of footballing euphoria ......


Chapter 5..How to run a football club...J.S Fenty

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Me neither so my two will be available. I’ve stopped attending night matches as don’t enjoy driving in the dark and my lad has only seen us win three times in two seasons, due to attending other events, and I missed four of our home wins so I seem to put the mockers on us. Will probably attend most Saturday games but will probably be sitting in parts of the ground I haven’t visited in years!

I like that idea and was having similar thoughts....pretty sure there will be matchday seats available in most areas this coming season and 3/4 of the games will have Osmond seats free so becoming a B.P stand  tourist has a certain appeal..

Has anyone established the exact amount of games that will be on the box yet ?

I'm assuming 10 minimum if it's opening / last day and NYD & Boxing day + the easter games and Tuesday night games , so around 10 minimum . But how many 'extra ' games are likely to be moved from the standard Saturday 3pm kick off time ?

It might effect some's decision whether to get one if many more games are shifted , I wonder whether everyone is even aware that likely some game's will be moved - I know everyone on SM will be but outside of that it's hardly getting much exposure and some might buy a ST then to realise come August they can't make a number of games .

There is almost certainly not going to be much clarity before the ST earlybird deadline as to when and how we will be affected .

Quoted from Mappers

Has anyone established the exact amount of games that will be on the box yet ?

I'm assuming 10 minimum if it's opening / last day and NYD & Boxing day + the easter games and Tuesday night games , so around 10 minimum . But how many 'extra ' games are likely to be moved from the standard Saturday 3pm kick off time ?

It might effect some's decision whether to get one if many more games are shifted , I wonder whether everyone is even aware that likely some game's will be moved - I know everyone on SM will be but outside of that it's hardly getting much exposure and some might buy a ST then to realise come August they can't make a number of games .

There is almost certainly not going to be much clarity before the ST earlybird deadline as to when and how we will be affected .

On Sky Sports...

1 - Opening day
1 - Sunday 29th December
1 -  Final day
4 - International Break Saturdays (7th September, 12th October, 16th November & 22nd March)
6 - Tuesday matches (20th August, 24th September, 22nd October, 26th November, 18th February & 11th March)
4 - Bank Holiday matches (Boxing Day, New Years Day, Good Friday & Easter Monday)
≈6 - Non-International Break Saturdays (Based on 29 match days with 2.5 matches per round being on Sky Sports)
≈3 - Saturday matches rearranged to Tuesdays because of weather, FA Cup etc...

So that's 17 definite & around 9 likely depending on Sky Sports picks and matches postponed.

So it's highly likely that 23 (half) of our L2 matches next seaon will be live on Sky Sports (minimum).

As an aged Exile STH, I would factor in transport costs against the cost of watching either a stream or Sky. Half the time I am visiting close family in Humberside anyhow so petrol is effectively free on those days.

I also like having priority on Away tickets and I have a good view on Row G in the Upper. On current available info I will be renewing with the likelihood that my seat would be released a few times perhaps.

I suspect I'm not the only one who will renew as an 'act of faith'  before the deadline and apply a suitable rationale afterwards!

Quoted from Mappers

There is almost certainly not going to be much clarity before the ST earlybird deadline as to when and how we will be affected .

A big reason for the early early bird deadline. I suspect the real hit of the new tv deal won't be felt until the following season in terms of season ticket sales. Everyone is used to basing their lives around 3pm kick offs. Having a mixture of different times is going to take some getting used to and inevitably the temptation just to watch it on TV is going to eat into match day attendance.

I’ll still be renewing, im also an exile and usually visit family on match days so thats part of the day for me. I also started taking my 8 year old nephew this season and he’s clearly a glutton for punishment as he now wants a season ticket!

Quoted from GrimRob

A big reason for the early early bird deadline. I suspect the real hit of the new tv deal won't be felt until the following season in terms of season ticket sales. Everyone is used to basing their lives around 3pm kick offs. Having a mixture of different times is going to take some getting used to and inevitably the temptation just to watch it on TV is going to eat into match day attendance.

See my note on the “thank fúck it’s over” thread. We’ll lose something like 6 or 7 out of 36 Saturday 3pm kick-offs across the course of the season, something not incomparable to when we would be on BT Sports in the National League. It will be absolutely fine.

Quoted from Heisenberg

I’m renewing and can’t wait. 5000 ST holders, minimum.

Me too ,as long as we are in the EFL I will renew. Plenty of interesting games , contrast to the national league where most of the games you expect to win and can only lose a handful. Time for 3 up , 3 down. utm

Quoted from Zmariner

Time for 3 up , 3 down. utm

What? From a league that can't even organise a play-offs without one of the teams getting kicked out and then changing the format at a couple of days notice?

3 up 3 down when the National League becomes League 3 and is incorporated into the EFL and not before.

Quoted from Poojah

See my note on the “thank fúck it’s over” thread. We’ll lose something like 6 or 7 out of 36 Saturday 3pm kick-offs across the course of the season, something not incomparable to when we would be on BT Sports in the National League. It will be absolutely fine.

We play 23 home league games, quite a few evening ones. Not sure what the break even is on an adult season ticket, but it's quite high, close to 20 games? I think BT sport games which were mainly away were generally in the evening. I think next season they are mainly going to be 1230 kick offs. Harder to get to if you have to travel and more of a challenge to have a pre match drink. Really hope you are right though.

Quoted from Poojah

See my note on the “thank fúck it’s over” thread. We’ll lose something like 6 or 7 out of 36 Saturday 3pm kick-offs across the course of the season, something not incomparable to when we would be on BT Sports in the National League. It will be absolutely fine.

It could be worse than that.

The average L1 & L2 side will "lose" 6 or 7 Saturday the kick-offs from the standard 29 Saturday match days.

How the kick-off times will vary across the other 6 Saturday match days is anyone's guess. The other 6 being the opening day, closing day and the 4 Saturday's in the FIFA International window. You would expect Sky to want EFL matches at 12:30 & 15:00 on both Saturdays and Sundays during the international break weekends for example. And with all the 3 EFL divisions finishing on the same weekend next season we can probably expect L2 to conclude at 17:30 after the Championship (12:30) and League One (15:00) have finished.

Don't be surprised if we end up with 10 non-3PM Saturday games from 35 "Saturday" match days over next season. Possibly more if we're doing well when the TV fixtures for the second half of the season are decided.

Quoted from GrimRob

We play 23 home league games, quite a few evening ones. Not sure what the break even is on an adult season ticket, but it's quite high, close to 20 games? I think BT sport games which were mainly away were generally in the evening. I think next season they are mainly going to be 1230 kick offs. Harder to get to if you have to travel and more of a challenge to have a pre match drink. Really hope you are right though.

The average L2 will have 23 home games next season split as follows...

1 - either opening or closing day.
2 - International Break weekend (out of 4)
14.5 - Normal Saturday (out of 29)
0.5 - Sunday 29th December (out of 1)
2 - Bank Holiday (out of 4)
3 - Tuesday nights (out of 6)

Quoted from GollyGTFC

It could be worse than that.

The average L1 & L2 side will "lose" 6 or 7 Saturday the kick-offs from the standard 29 Saturday match days.

How the kick-off times will vary across the other 6 Saturday match days is anyone's guess. The other 6 being the opening day, closing day and the 4 Saturday's in the FIFA International window. You would expect Sky to want EFL matches at 12:30 & 15:00 on both Saturdays and Sundays during the international break weekends for example. And with all the 3 EFL divisions finishing on the same weekend next season we can probably expect L2 to conclude at 17:30 after the Championship (12:30) and League One (15:00) have finished.

Don't be surprised if we end up with 10 non-3PM Saturday games from 35 "Saturday" match days over next season. Possibly more if we're doing well when the TV fixtures for the second half of the season are decided.

The EFL Q&A states that each League Two club will be broadcast a minimum of 16 times (the bulk of which will be existing non-Saturday 3pm kick-offs). Reaching that threshold for all clubs accounts for 77.4% of matches to be broadcast, with realistically a minimum of 4 or 5 will have been moved from a traditional Saturday slot.

Essentially, that leaves an additional 56 matches from which games might be moved. If all things were equal, that would mean somewhere in the region of 2 extra games per team on average. Granted that teams at the top end of the division are more likely to be picked than those lower down, I’d be really surprised if any one side ends up losing more than 8 regular Saturday fixtures to TV rearrangements, with 6 or 7 probably being the average across the division.

Quoted from Poojah

The EFL Q&A states that each League Two club will be broadcast a minimum of 16 times (the bulk of which will be existing non-Saturday 3pm kick-offs). Reaching that threshold for all clubs accounts for 77.4% of matches to be broadcast, with realistically a minimum of 4 or 5 will have been moved from a traditional Saturday slot.

Essentially, that leaves an additional 56 matches from which games might be moved. If all things were equal, that would mean somewhere in the region of 2 extra games per team on average. Granted that teams at the top end of the division are more likely to be picked than those lower down, I’d be really surprised if any one side ends up losing more than 8 regular Saturday fixtures to TV rearrangements, with 6 or 7 probably being the average across the division.

The “248 games live” figure is misleading. It will be considerably more.

The figure is based on the premise that there are 32 rounds of fixtures on weekends where 2.5 matches per weekend are moved for tv. 32 x 2.5 matches = 80

And the remaining 14 fixture dates are all matches broadcast. 14 x 12 = 168

80 + 168 = 248

The “16 times minimum” figure is based on the 14 rounds where every game is broadcast plus Sky guaranteeing every team will be picked at least twice over the season for the other fixture rounds.

But the fixture list doesn't work like that.

Next season there will only be 29 standard Saturday match days. 29 x 2.5 = 64 approx.

The other 17 match days will have all games broadcast live. 17 x 12 = 204.

So there will definitely be 268 L2 games live next season. That means each team will appear an average of 22.33 times next season.

And that’s before postponed standard Saturday games that will automatically be live on Sky when they are rearranged. This season we had 3 standard Saturday matches rearranged and last season it was 5.

Even at a conservative 2 games per club postponed because of weather or FA Cup activity then the average club is going to be on more than half of their league games.

I’ll be renewing my season tickets on Weds but with the potential unpredictability of fixtures next season it might be that my young nephew won’t be able to attend them all. Can anyone advise if it’s possible to upgrade the seat for certain games so another adult could go with me, or would I have to go through the hassle of releasing the seat and repurchasing?

The freezing of ticket prices is enough to encourage me to renew my season ticket despite my doubts about Artell, so fair enough it's doing its job I guess.

Now live if anyone want's to get in early . Plenty of seats together aswell all over if anyone wishes to relocate / buy new.

Been trying to call ticket office this am to renew as a problem with my online account and no answer.

Is there anyone actually dealing with renewals on the phone today ?///

Good start

I think we might do decent numbers again , seems to be quite a few new one's buying .

Will be interesting to see if we clear 5k this time out .

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Good start

I think we might do decent numbers again , seems to be quite a few new one's buying .

Will be interesting to see if we clear 5k this time out .

Defies all logic, doesn’t it. It’s the hope that kills you.  

Quoted from Mappers

Well done the club

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My eyesight is going and for a second when that flashed up I am sure it said’ We are down’
Don’t do this to me please!

Currently on track to sell over 36,000 season tickets by the start of the season.

Quoted from Poojah

Currently on track to sell over 36,000 season tickets by the start of the season.

Think you better start counting the seats left now!  ;D ;D ;D

We've moved from the Upper to the Main and bought into the overflow as there wasn't 3 tickets together... does anyone know when those tickets are allocated?

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

We've moved from the Upper to the Main and bought into the overflow as there wasn't 3 tickets together... does anyone know when those tickets are allocated?

Not sure mate , maybe end of June when all the seats that are not renewed are released possibly ?

Quoted from The Caterham Mariner

Take a look at T72 - block C ,I had it for Swindon game its right up the top slight negative its a hike up there with some restricted view because of the gantry but you do get to see the full pitch play from height.
Perfect for me as i come to BP on average twice a year !! Just your average "Billie No Mates!" Exile town fan.
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IT'S been taken , well there you go the curiosity got the better of me some one has put their name on it .
Enjoy the forthcoming season who ever you are.
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Last time I had a ST was 89-90 and 90-91 and look what happened, I’ve taken the plunge…

Got mine today .Notice the freebie and discount  vouchers have been drastically reduced

After saying I wouldn’t be rushing to buy one the other week (and mocking someone for being ‘buzzing’ with the Swindon result) I proved my point by waiting until the second day of sales to renew mine.